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Please help with family of Joseph Quarmby married to Mary Ann Mellor from Huddersfield They had a son, Richard who emmigrated to Australia in 1852 aged about 27. Richard married Sarah Edgar in 1854 in Sydney. Richard died in Sydney in 1884.

In 1878 Henry Quarmby arrived on the Aconcaqua at Port Phillip. He married Ann McCallum in 1881 in Paddington, Sydney. This could have been Richards brother or cousin There were no children to this marriage although he did have children in England. He died at Parramatta in 1896 certificate states that his mother was Mary Miller and father was Richard Quarmby

any help greatly appreciated, thanks Megan

this one living in Almonbury Yorkshire in 1851?

Name Age
Joseph Quarmby 39
Mariann Quarmby 36
Richard Quarmby 15
Henry Quarmby 12
Ruth Quarmby 10
Ezra Quarmby 4
Elizabeth Ann Quarmby 1

and baptism

Name: Richard Quarmby
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1826
Birth Place: Linthwaite, Almondbury, Yorkshire, England
Gender: Male
Event Type: Birth
Father: Joseph Quarmby
Mother: Mary Ann Quarmby
Denomination: Baptist
Piece Title: Piece 2744: Huddersfield, Lockwood Chapel (Baptist), 1792-1837

is this Henry the right age?

Name: Henry Quarmby
Event Date: 25 Dec 1828
Event Type: baptism
Parish: Linthwaite, Christ Church
Father's name: Joseph Quarmby
Mother's name: Mary Ann Quarmby

Thank you, that fits with the information I have. I suppose I need to find an existing Quarmby/Mellor family tree to trace the ancestors of Joseph and Mary Ann (Mariann). There seem to be many Joseph Quarmbys born or baptised in Huddersfield in the early 1800s when I searched on familysearch.org

as I'm sure you know there are 3 Richard Quarmbys born in Almondbury at about the same time.

The following is the only one on the 1841 Census with parents Joseph and Mary Ann (written as Mariann here) .....

1841 Census

Name: Richard Quarmby
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Almondbury
Hundred: Agbrigg (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Slaithwaite

Piece: 1274
Book: 6
Page Number: 1

Joseph Quarmby 39 b.ca 1802, Yorkshire, Woolen Weaver
Mariann Quarmby 36 b.ca 1805, Yorkshire
Richard Quarmby 15
Henry Quarmby 12 b.ca 1829, Yorkshire
Ruth Quarmby 10 b.ca 1831, Yorkshire
Ezra Quarmby 4 b.ca 1837, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Ann Quarmby 1 b.ca 1840, Yorkshire

Address:- Stoney Royd (???sp)


and in 1851...........

1851 Census

Name: Richard Quarmby
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Ann Quarmby
Gender: Male
Where born: Linthwaite, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Lockwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Milnsbridge
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County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 1j

Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 2296
Folio: 167
Page Number: 12

Mary Ann Quarmby 45 b.ca 1806, Meltham, Yorkshire, Widow
Richard Quarmby 24 Watchman Police
Henry Quarmby 22 b.ca 1829, Linthwaite, Stone Getter
Ruth Quarmby 20 b.ca 1831, Linthwaite, Weaver
Ezra Quarmby 14 b.ca 1837, Linthwaite, Silk Piecer
Elizabethan Quarmby 11 b.ca 1840, Linthwaite, Scholar
Edwin Quarmby 8 b.ca 1843, Linthwaite, Scholar

Address:- Spring Mill (???last word)

There are 11 Public Family Trees trees on Ancestry that have Richard Quarmby with parents Joseph and Mary Ann

Problem ............... I haven't yet looked closely at them, but it is very common on ancestry for people to take information from other trees without checking to see that the information is accurate. There is much false information on trees on that site.

Please be very careful if you do look at them!

One of the trees has this record ........

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922

Name Richard Quarmby
Estimated Birth Year abt 1826
Age 28
Port of Departure Melbourne
Port of Arrival Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date 18 Feb 1854
Vessel Name Hellespont
Origin Location British

According to the image, Richard was a member of the crew. I can't read what it did, it looks as though it might be Fisherman, but I doubt that is correct.

The Hellespont was a Steam Ship

for OUR information, as I'm sure you have this ...............

This looks like Henry in 1871 ...... he's a Quarryman, which fits with the occupaiton of Stone Getter on the 1851 Census

1871 Census

Name: Henry Quarmby
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Quarmby
Gender: Male
Where born: Linthwaite, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Huddersfield
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Huddersfield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Huddersfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 248
Piece: 4372
Folio: 27
Page Number: 48

Henry Quarmby 42 Quarryman
Hannah Quarmby 43 b.ca 1828, Golcar, Yorkshire
Agnes Quarmby 17 b.ca 1854, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, Woollen Piecer
Horris Quarmby 8 b.ca 1863, Huddersfield, Grandson, Scholar

Address:- High St

??? "Horris" should be Morris??


The same family in 1861, living in Lockwood, Yorkshire

Name Age
Henry Quarmby 31
Hannah Quarmby 38
Martha Quarmby 19 b.ca 1842, Saddleworth, Yorkshire
Ester Quarmby 18 b.ca 1843, Saddleworth, Yorkshire
Watts Quarmby 9 b.ca 1852, Lockwood, Yorkshire
Agnes Quarmby 6


The older children are Hannah's from a previous marriage

West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: Henry Quarmby
Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 22
Marriage or Bann Date: 10 Aug 1851
Parish: Almondbury, All Hallows, Yorkshire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Almondbury, All Hallows' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Spouse: Hannah Wrigley
Father: Joseph Quarmby
Spouse Father: John Pearson

from image:-
Henry
Bachelor
Occupation:- Delver
Address:- Linthwaite
Father occupation:- Weaver

Hannah
Age:- 26
Widow
no occupation shown
Address:- Linthwaite
Father occupation:- Slubber

Witnesses are James Garner and Richard Garner who appear ot be "professional witnesses"



Hannah Wrigley in 1851 ..................

1851 Census

Name: Hannah Wrigley
[Hannah Pearson]
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Betty Pearson
Gender: Female
Where born: Thurlston, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Linthwaite
Ecclesiastical parish: Milnsbridge
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County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a

Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 2296
Folio: 195
Page Number: 3

Betty Pearson 59 Burler
Hannah Wrigley 28 Widow, Burler
Milly Pearson 18 Cotton Winder
Martha Wrigley 9 b.ca 1842, Saddleworth, Nurse
Easter Wrigley 8 b.ca 1843, Saddleworth, Sunday Scholar


I'd never seen the term "Sunday Scholar" before, so I googled it ..... this is one explanation I found ..........

In 1851, education was not free, nor was it universal. So, to fill the gap, churches provided schools on Sunday to teach children to read and write. It was more affordable than sending them to school in the week as they could work as well. Giving their occupation as Sunday scholar was probably something of a status thing - they were attending school. The downside is that it gives no idea of what work was actually being done by children at that time as they are all "hidden" under the guise of "scholar".

Henry Quarmby arrived in Sydney in December 1878, although his first landing was in Melbourne, the ship carried on the Sydney. He travelled steerage from London

Victoria inward passenger lists 1839-1923 Transcription

First name(s) Henry
Last name Quarmby
Age 50
Birth year 1828
Nationality English
Departure port Cape Town
Arrival year 1878
Arrival month Dec
Arrival port Sydney
Ship name Aconcagua
State Victoria
Record set Victoria inward passenger lists 1839-1923
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australia & New Zealand

????????

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/164388321?searchTerm=richard%20quarmby&searchLimits=l-decade=188

The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1871 - 1912) Saturday 10 May 1884 p 894

Letters of administration were ordered to be issued in the
estates of the following persons:— ..........................; Richard
Quarmby, £377;

Megan ............

have you seen and read this article?? A description of the history of Richard Quarnmby' arrival in Reedy Flats by Henry Quarmby, one of his sons

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139308870?searchTerm=henry%20quarmby&searchLimits=

A TRIBUTE TO THE PIONEERS THE QUARMBY FAMILY

The Tumut and Adelong Times (NSW : 1864 - 1867; 1899 - 1950) Tuesday 26 October 1948 p 10


It says that Richard Quarmby was the first known case of appendicitis in Austrlaia when he died in 1884, in St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney

Thank you so much for your help. No, I had not seen the article before. It is very informative and interesting but has a couple of errors.
My great grandfather, Walter, married Susannah Dugan and had the children listed as Edwin's in the article. ( Beddie not Beddy - my mother's maiden name).

We know that Richard came on the boat James Carson and worked on ships as a fireman for a year or so before moving to Sydney in 1854.

I see that piecing the facts together is difficult. We did not know much about the previous life of Henry before he came to Australia. Maybe he came to make his fortune here as well but all they had was hard work - unfortunately, no gold.

Thanks Megan

Megan ..........

Remember that article was based on an interview with a man who was 81 years old. I have no doubt that he might have made some mistakes when trying to remember events over 60 years earlier, and for a family spread all over Australia ........... if I remember correctly at least one of his siblings moved to WA.


We none of us can really piece together a full family history for our families when most of our descendants were labourers, lace makers, weavers, etc. They didn't make the news, they didn't leave diaries, most of them were completely illiterate ........ hence the variation in spellings of names that we saw as they couldn't read so couldn't correct mistakes made by those in authority.

The only things we can really do is look at the census every 10 years, see where they were living and what they did, how many children they had etc. The fact that we might find them living in different places indicates the moving to find better and/or different jobs.

My ancestors for example moved during the 1870s and 1880s from a small bucolic village where they were agricultural labourers and lace makers to the industrial north to work as labourers in shipyards, factories and cotton mills. The obvious reason is to make more money, but who made the decision, when did they actually move, was it really a better life ............. those are things we will never really know.

I know my great grandfather was killed in 1877 in a Lancashire town, but his widow and 3 or 4 children are living in County Durham on the 1881 Census, and then move to the Lancashire town by 1891. They were possibly in County Durham because the eldest son lived there, but why did they move to Lancashire? There were cousins and other people from their village living there, did they think that offered better hope or support than the north-east? I'll never know.

I do know that family had a pretty hard life in Lancashire .......... the children were out at work in the cotton mills at a very young age, and it was the next generation, ie my father, his siblings and cousins, who made their way out of poverty. But I only know that because of stories passed down from my father's stories his father told, and older cousins remembering what our mutual grandmother told them before she died in 1938 .............. and she was only passing on stories told by her husband! So it is all hearsay.

Thanks again, I will keep digging.