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Thank you everyone so helpful

well found, lancashireann!

Excellent LAnn

so they were indeed young

and Hannah was born in the July of that year :-)

from Sheffield Independant of 11th May 1833

On Monday last
Mr William Dodd filesmith to Miss Elizabeth Bell

just out of interest from a tree on ancestry

March 1864
Kelham Island, River Don
The Dodd Family submitted a claim for loss of earnings as a result of the Sheffield Flood. The claim is shown on the Sheffield Flood website and shows that the Dodd Family was employed by Wheatman and Smith. They were File cutters. William claimed loss of 8 days at 5 shillings a day. Also claimed for William Junior, Charles Junior and Henry Junior. Total claim was for £5 -4 shillings. It was Dismissed !!

good clue indeed!

if Elizabeth was born 1816 and daughter Hannah 1833, Elizabeth and William were both very young

possibly the couple simply didn't marry ... or married at a later date

I have a pair of ancestors born just a little later who married at 45, several years after the birth of their last child :-)

there is this baptism, mother Hannah like her daughter
Elizabeth
Last name Bell
Birth year 1816
Birth date 04 Jan 1816
Baptism year 1816
Baptism date 04 Feb 1816
Baptism place Sheffield
Father's first name(s) Alexander
Mother's first name(s) Hannah
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Event type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Source year range 1815-1816
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Page 266
Record set Yorkshire, bishop's transcripts of baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

can't find any marriage

Any clue in the name of the child baptised in 1833 - Hannah BELL Dodd ??????

Looking at that 1841 Census .................

I would say that they are not living WITH the Smales family.

Instead they seem to be two families living as separate households at the same address

The image is very faint, and it is hard to make out, but the Smales and Dodds are both living at Number 34 ???? street name

I looked on both ancestry and FMP, and could not determine the name of the street!


Therefore, I think it would be very dangerous to assume that she was Elizabeth Smales.

As others have suggested, you need to buy the birth certificate for one oft he children born after July 1837 ................. why not get your Great Grandmother's!


It sill cost you £9.25, post and handling included, from GRO, the General Register Office, at the following site ............

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/


NEVER order from any other site, as they will charge you more than the GRO site and they will buy it from them anyway :-)

5 Public Family Trees on ancestry have the following as William Dodd's wife ...... without documentation!


Elizabeth Bell Born ca 1817 Sheffield, Yorkshire,

died APR 1891 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding,


Children:-

Hannah Dodd 1834–
Thomas Dodd 1836–
George Dodd 1839–1901
William A Dodd 1842–
Charles Dodd 1845–
Mary A Dodd 1849–
John H Dodd 1851–
Fredrick Dodd 1856–
Elizabeth Dodd 1859–
Sarah Dodd 1865–

Sandra since I'm here, I'll make clearer what Shirley said:

'Would suggest getting the birth certi for the mmn

Mar 1851
Dodd John Henry Sheffield 22 687'

'mmn' is code for 'mother's maiden name', something you probably didn't catch

births were registered beginning in 1837, and the mother's surname before marriage is entered on them ... it wasn't recorded in the index until 1911

the birth certificate for that child will show Elizabeth's own birth surname and that is the certain way to trace back so you know you have the correct marriage if you find it

you can order the birth certificate here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

did you theorise that her name was Smales based on that 1841 census household with her parents (if they were) present, or for some other reason?

Thank you for your help much appreciated still not sure of Elizabeth's maiden name, hard when your at the other side of the world need to see the parish records I think for that far back
Many thanks your info its much appreciated
Sandy

doesn't really help

???????????

Sheffield Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Hannah Bell
Last name Dodd
Birth year 1833
Birth date 29 Jul 1833
Baptism year 1833
Baptism date 15 Sep 1833
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Occupation Filesmith
Residence Sheffield
Place Sheffield
Church Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
County Yorkshire
Country England
Record set Sheffield Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Thomas
Last name Dodd
Birth year 1835
Birth date 21 Nov 1835
Baptism year 1836
Baptism date 06 Nov 1836
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Occupation Filesmith
Residence Sheffield
Place Sheffield
Church Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
County Yorkshire
Country England
Record set Sheffield Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Would suggest getting the birth certi for the mmn

Mar 1851
Dodd John Henry Sheffield 22 687

Looks like they with some Smales family in 1841

England Wales &Scotland Census Transcription
New Meadow Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

John Smales Male 25 1816 Yorkshire, England Transcription
Mary A Smales Female 25 1816 - Transcription
William Dodd Male 26 1815 Yorkshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Dodd Female 26 1815 Yorkshire, England Transcription
Hannah Dodd Female 8 1833 Yorkshire, England Transcription
Thomas Dodd Male 5 1836 Yorkshire, England Transcription
George Dodd Male - - Yorkshire, England Transcription


1851 census
Engalnd Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Green Lane, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England


William Dodd Head Married Male 35 1816 File Cutter Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Dodd Wife Married Female 34 1817 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Hannah Dodd Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 Dress Maker Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Thomas Dodd Son - Male 15 1836 File Cutter Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
George Dodd Son - Male 11 1840 File Cutter Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
William A Dodd Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Charles Dodd Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Mary A Dodd Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
John H Dodd Son - Male 0 1851 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Sarah Dodd Mother Widow Female 68 1783 - Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Transcription

If this is him on 1881, then I can confirm that he died in 1881:

Name: William Dodd
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Dodd
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 29 Woodland Street
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: File Cutter
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4625
Folio: 6
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dodd 65
Elizabeth Dodd 64
Sarah Dodd 16
John Boulden 24



Death notice:

Sheffield Independent 21 December 1881:

DODD - Dec 15, at his residence 29 Woodland Street, William Dodd,
aged 66 years.

Dea x

Have you looked on famiiy search site for a marriage ?

Could anyone please advise if William Dodd b1816 from Sheffield was married to Elizabeth Smales? b1817 from Sheffield parents of Sarah my Great Grandmother and that he died in 1881
Many thanks
Sandy