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Catherine
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27 Mar 2016 12:51 |
Trying to find parents of Jane Shepherd. According to census she was born in Kngsand, Cornwall. She married Philip Brickwood in 1826. I can find no record of baptism or any other siblings. The first record I have is her marriage. Any help to solve this mystery would be appreciated. Thanks Cathy
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27 Mar 2016 13:06 |
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Green, Maker, St Germans, Cornwall, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jane Brickwood Head Widow Female 60 1801 Formerly Dressmaker Maker, Cornwall, England
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Maddie
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27 Mar 2016 13:09 |
for ref 1841 Name: Jane Brickwood Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Gender: Female Where born: Devon, England Civil Parish: Maker Hundred: Roborough County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: St Germans Sub-registration district: Antony Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 240 Book: 18 Folio: 6 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Phelep Brickwood 50 Jane Brickwood 40 Mary Brickwood 10 Kathrine Brickwood 8 Philip Brickwood 6
1861 Name: Jane Brickwood Age: 60 Estimated birth year: 1801 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Muker, Devon, England ---------------------------- Civil Parish: Maker Town: Kingsand County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: St Germans Sub-registration district: Anthony ED, institution, or vessel: 4e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 206 Piece: 1522 Folio: 71 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Jane Brickwood 60 Cancel Source Citation
Class: RG 9; Piece: 1522; Folio: 71; Page: 28; GSU roll: 542825 Source Information
1851 Name: Jane Brickwood Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Maker, Devon, England ---------------------- Civil Parish: Maker Ecclesiastical parish: Exeter Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: St Germans Sub-registration district: Anthony ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 108 Piece: 1900 Folio: 81 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Jane Brickwood 50 Mary Jane Brickwood 20 Susanna Brickwood 15 Cancel
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MargaretM
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27 Mar 2016 13:10 |
This is the only Jane Brickwood that I can see on the 1851 census but says born Devon.
Jane Brickwood
in the 1851 England Census Record Image View
Name: Jane Brickwood Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Maker, Devon, England Civil Parish: Maker Ecclesiastical parish: Exeter Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Cornwall Country: England
Registration district: St Germans Sub-registration district: Anthony ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 108 Piece: 1900 Folio: 81 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Jane Brickwood 50 Mary Jane Brickwood 20 Susanna Brickwood 15
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27 Mar 2016 13:13 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Fore Street, Maker, St German, Devon, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Philip Brickwood Male 50 1791 Devon, England Transcription Jane Brickwood Female 40 1801 Devon, England Transcription Mary Brickwood Female 10 1831 Devon, England Transcription Kathrine Brickwood Female 8 1833 Devon, England Transcription Philip Brickwood Male 6 1835 Devon, England Transcription Sussana Brickwood Female 4 1837 Devon, England
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MargaretM
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27 Mar 2016 13:16 |
She's on 3 trees on Ancestry, one has her born Cornwall, other 2 say Devon.
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safc
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27 Mar 2016 13:23 |
Maker baptismsBT baptisms 1719-1772 1867-1889 1,735 67 marriagesBT 1719-1772 501 burialsBT 1719-1772 1,533
you could contact the opc here
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/l_m/maker.php
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Maddie
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27 Mar 2016 13:44 |
had a look on their but nothing came up, perhaps its me :-(
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Catherine
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27 Mar 2016 13:46 |
Thanks, I have all this information. Kingsand was in Devon until about 1840 when it became part of Cornwall. It makes it very confusing when you are researching.
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JoonieCloonie
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27 Mar 2016 16:48 |
Catherine you had all that information but no one else did, it is important for anyone trying to help to know what all the available sources say about the individual in question.
Yes, I have ancestors who lived in that bit of (now) Cornwall that suffered from the shifting border as well. My grx3 grandmother was in Maker in 1841 too. :-)
If Jane was born about 1801 (although her age in censuses could be a nice round 40-50-60 and she might be a little older), she could possibly have been a widow when she married Brickwood in 1826. Does her marriage record specify her status?
the OPC site does not have full coverage for Maker
Maker baptismsBT 1719-1772 baptisms 1867-1889 marriagesBT 1719-1772 burialsBT 1719-1772
so it is missing both baptisms and marriages for your periods
ooops, safc already posted that :-)
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JoonieCloonie
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27 Mar 2016 17:01 |
for our info from findmypast
First name(s) Jane Last name Shepherd Marriage year 1826 Marriage date 23 Jul 1826 Parish East Stonehouse Place East Stonehouse Spouse's first name(s) Philip Spouse's last name Brickwood Denomination Anglican County Devon Archive South West Heritage Trust Record set Devon Marriages
Devon Family History Society Transcriptions © Devon Family History Society
have you tried the Devon FHS? I have found their system for requesting records incomprehensible and expensive, but it might be worth a try
or post at their discussion board to see whether anyone can help
http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ http://members.boardhost.com/devonfhs/
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JoonieCloonie
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27 Mar 2016 17:07 |
a possibility you might investigate
First name(s) JANE Last name JAGO Birth year - Marriage year 1821 Marriage date 6 Aug 1821 Parish Maker Place MAKER Groom's first name(s) Anlaby Henry Groom's last name SHEPHERD Bride's first name(s) Jane Bride's last name JAGO County Cornwall
and perhaps
First name(s) JENNY Last name JAGO Gender Female Birth year 1801 Baptism year 1801 Baptism date 14 Jan 1801 Parish Maker Father's first name(s) George Father's last name JAGO Mother's first name(s) Catherine Mother's last name - Relationship Dau Place MAKER County Cornwall
in fact I would say that's a very good perhaps
First name(s) ANLABY HENRY Last name SHEPARD Age 3d Birth year 1822 Death year 1822 Burial year 1822 Burial date 11 Mar 1822 Burial location MAKER Residence Kingsand County Cornwall Country England Entry number 649 Archival reference FP134 1/12 Record set Cornwall Burials
note too that your Jane had a daughter Katherine which is not the most common name in those parts
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Chris Ho :)
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27 Mar 2016 18:11 |
(saw below)
Chris :)
Baptism County Cornwall Place Maker Church name St Macra Register type Transcript Baptism date 29 Jul 1834 Person forename Philip George Jago Person sex M Father forename Philip Father surname BRICKWOOD Father occupation Shoemaker Mother forename Jane
(from below link)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
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27 Mar 2016 19:08 |
1841 Census 6 Records found Piece: HO107/240 Place: Roborough -Devon Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: Maker Ecclesiastical Parish: Maker Folio: 7 Page: 7 Address: Fore Street
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks BRICKWOOD Philip M 50 Shoe Maker Devon BRICKWOOD Jane F 40 Devon BRICKWOOD Mary F 10 Devon BRICKWOOD Kathrine F 8 Devon BRICKWOOD Philip M 6 Devon BRICKWOOD Sussana F 4 Devon
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Catherine
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27 Mar 2016 19:14 |
Thank you all for your responses. My question has still not been answered but there a couple of avenues that I can now pursue. My original research was to find how my family were connected to Sir Thomas Masterman Hardy. My g grandmother was a Hardy, but no relation. My conclusion is that Jane Shepherd was the illegitimate child of the above. Family legend tells of Thomas Hardy being an ancestor and my father saw a painting of said Hardy in his aunt's house, which she sold in 1930's.
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JoonieCloonie
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27 Mar 2016 20:04 |
Catherine, is there serious reason to think that the records I found for Jago - Shepherd - Brickwood are _not_ the answer to your question???
What evidence is there for your own 'conclusion' that your Jane Shepherd was the illegitimate child of Sir Thomas Masterman Hardy? even if she were, would she not have been baptised somewhere?
Family legends are such fun. Mine is that my gr-grandparent was the illegitimate grandchild of a Viscount ...
The plain (in both senses) and obvious explanation for Jane Shepherd is that she was Jenny Jago, born 1801 to George and Catherine, who married, first, Anlaby Henry Shepherd, who died in 1822, and married, second, Philip Brickwood, all of these events occurring in Maker/Kindsand.
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Mary
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27 Mar 2016 20:15 |
I'm inclined to think she was baptised Jenny Jago by George and Catherine Jago and married as J Jago to a Mr Sheppard. She had so Phillip George Jago Brickwood so the above would be where that name came from George Jago born Kingsand 1769 died 1841 to Catherine 1765-1848.
1841 Maker D8 .15 Catherine 75 with daughter Catherine. on the same page is son Nathaniel Jago born Nov 1801. Phillip and Jane are D8 >5 so living in same area.
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Catherine
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27 Mar 2016 20:21 |
According to the parish marriage record she was a spinster of the parish, therefore had not been married before. I have come across Anlaby Shepherd before and have been unable to find any connection. If you know of any connection I would love to know
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JoonieCloonie
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27 Mar 2016 20:39 |
Catherine, could you maybe respond to what Mary and I have pointed out concerning the rather obvious connections between Jenny/Jane Jago and Jane Brickwood?
(you may not be aware that Jane and Jenny are essentially interchangeable names, and it was not at all uncommon for a woman to be called by both of them during her life)
and to the question of what evidence there is for any connection at all to Sir Thomas Masterman Hardy?
Jane Shepherd Brickwood had a daughter named Katherine, which was Jenny/Jane Jago's mother's name, and even more obviously, as Mary has now pointed out, she had a son called Philip *George* *Jago* Brickwood.
She had children named for each of her parents, and a child who carried her own birth surname.
Where else would the name Jago in her son's name have come from??
The 'spinster of this parish' notation on her marriage record could simply have been an assumption by the vicar, although yes, it would have been unexpected
but there certainly seems to be no record whatsoever of a Jane Shepherd spinster of that parish.
Maybe autosomal DNA testing would produce a connection with a Jago or a Hardy somewhere ...
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