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I have james crook married Margaret Hogan 13th October 1869 at the parish of Manchester
1871 census
james crook age 26 (1845) Manchester occupation: blacksmith
Margaret 26
Hannah age 3
Margaret age 1
I cant find a birth or death for Margaret.
JAMES STATES THAT ON THE 1911 CENSUS:he and Margaret have nine children and five had died..I have only managed to find deaths for Emily 1880-1889
james 1873-1874
jane ellen 1872-1873 any help most welcomed

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Edensor Street, Beswick, Prestwich, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Crook Head Married Male 36 1845 Engine Smith Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Margt Crook Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Anna Crook Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Mary J Crook Daughter Single Female 7 1874 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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James Crook Son Single Male 4 1877 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Sarah A Crook Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Emily Crook Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ashton New Road, Beswick, Prestwich, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Crook Head Married Male 46 1845 Blacksmith Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Margaret Crook Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Hannah Crook Daughter Single Female 23 1868 Mill Girl Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Margaret J Crook Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Barmaid Beswick, Lancashire, England
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James Crook Son Single Male 15 1876 Ripper Beswick, Lancashire, England
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Sarah A Crook Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Beswick, Lancashire, England
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Mary L Crook Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Beswick, Lancashire, England

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
65 Church St Bradford Manchester, North Manchester, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
James Crook Head Married Male Blacksmith 65 1846 Manchester
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Margeret Crook Wife Married Female - 62 1849 Manchester
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James Crook Son Single Male Miller 33 1878 Manchester



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
70, Church Street, North Manchester, Prestwich, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Crook Head Married Male 57 1844 Blacksmith (Iron Works) Beswick, Lancashire, England
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Margaret Crook Wife Married Female 56 1845 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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James Crook Son Single Male 24 1877 Miller (Textile) Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Lillian Crook Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Mill Girl (Cotton) Manchester, Lancashire, England

Possible for Margaret.


Manchester Cemetery Records Transcription
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First name(s) MARGARET
Last name CROOK
Age 3
Birth year 1870
Death/Burial year 1873
Death/Burial day 03
Death/Burial month May
Cemetery MANCHESTER ARDWICK CEMETERY
County Lancashire
Country England
Records' title Burial Register
Record locality Manchester Ardwick Cemetery

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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) MARGARET
Last name CROOK
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1871
Age 3
Death quarter 3
Death year 1874
District MANCHESTER
County Lancashire
Volume 8D
Page 137

Frederick Harold Crook
baptised 6 Sept 1882

Deaths Dec 1882 (>99%)
Crook Frederick Harold 0 Prestwich 8d 231

as the 4 living children in 1911 were
James (b1876) living with parents
Margaret Jane - married to Robert Hunt
Sarah Alice - married to Joshua Stopford
Mary Lilian - single living alone

by a process of elimination the other one who died must be Hannah b 1868

hannah could have married

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
CROOK Hannah Prestwich 8d 443

but only 4 children were living by 1911 and we have accounted for all of those

this could be Hanna

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Hannah JONES John Prestwich Registrar Attended

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Jones Hannah 39 Prestwich 8d 245

or (which fits age wise better

Deaths Mar 1901 (>99%)
Jones Hannah 31 Manchester 8d 156

Thanks everyone, very much appreciated :-)

Hi..I have found sarah alice stopford and her hubby on the 1901 census living with her husband and father in law, but having probs finding them on 1911

?? 1911
61 Church Street Bradford Manchester
Joshua Stepford 33 Furniture Packer
Ann Alice 32
Mary Ellen 9
Alice 7
Ethel 5
May 3
Frederick 7 months
married 10 years 5 children all alive.

May Stopford born 24/5/1908 baptised 3/6/1908 by Joshua and Sarah Alice of 61,Church Street.
Joshua a furniture dealer.

Maryb.

yes mary this looks to be them ..Thank you :-)

Hannah Crook 1868 on the above 1891 census, could someone have a look for her on 1911 census please,...I have found her death 1918 in Salford
thanks x

Could Hannah not be the one I posted above - married John Jones in 1898 - died either 1901 or 1905 which would make her the 4th child who died as presumably even though she was married she would count on her parents 1911 return

confusing as there were 3 Hannah Coork birth reg, 1 1867 Bolton, 2 1868 in Manchester & Bolton so difficult to tell which is which

1901 74 Church Street
John Jones 29 railway worker
Hannah Jones 30 born Beswick.
lilian Jones 1.

So this is the Hannah (Crook)you are looking for, although she may be the one who died before 1911 census.

Maryb

Thank you very much for the crook/jones marriage lancashireAnn, :-)
Thank you Mary :-)

I rechecked the censuses to see what subdistrict they were living in at census

1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFY-D2Z
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/4030/0199
rg10/4030 is a Manchester RD - subdistict Ancoats - piece number

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXJ-QY9H
Emily Crook Daughter F 8 M
Piece/Folio 4018/75
Registration District Prestwich
rg11/4018 is a Newton subdistrict piece number

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QY5R-DZM
Registration District Prestwich
Piece/Folio 3260/ 10
rg12/3266 is a Newton subdistrict piece number

1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GZ-VW2
Registration District Prestwich
Sub-District Newton

1911 rg14/24300 is a Bradford subdistrict - Prestwich RD piece number
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1V-GW8
Mary Lillian lives next door to her parents

All the above subdistricts are now in Manchester RD

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1867
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK James HOGAN Margaret Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/166/180

Marr was *1867* - 13/10/1867
James s/o William; Margt d/o Peter

[I've appended the quarter of registration]
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1868q1 CROOK Hannah London Road Archives+, Manchester Central Library HOGAN LRD/69/77
1870q2 CROOK Margaret Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library HOGAN ANC/136/94
1872q1 CROOK Jane E [Jane Ellen] Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library HOGAN ANC/145/21
1874q1 CROOK Margaret Jane Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/49/32
1876q2 CROOK James Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/57/23
1878q3 CROCK Sarah A Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/66/25
1880q3 CROOK Emily Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/75/72
1882q3 CROOK Frederick H Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/85/19
1883q4 CROOK Mary L [Mary Lilian] Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/90/24

We have the mum's maiden surname for the first three births, and baptisms for the last six

These are the 4 infant deaths:
Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1873q1 CROOK Jane Ellen 1 Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library ANC/118/311
1873q2 CROOK Margaret 3 Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library ANC/119/51
1882q3 CROOK Frederick Harold 0 Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/52/366
1889q3 CROOK Emily 9 Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/72/463



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898q3
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Margaret J HUNT Robert Prestwich Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library PRE_RM/34/136
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9V2-ZS7
Sub-District Newton
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1899q3
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HUNT Emily Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/168/21
1911 in piece rg14/23933 - Pendleton, a subdistrict of Salford RD


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1900q1
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Sarah A [Sarah Alice] STOPFORD Joshua Prestwich Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library PRE_RM/39/69
1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9V2-98Y
Sub-District Newton

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Stopford Albert Crook Prestwich 8d 868

Baptism: 3 Sep 1913 St Silas, Ardwick, Lancs.
Albert Stopford - [Child] of Josuah Stopford & Sarah Alice
Abode: 12 Pennell St.
Occupation: Packer
Baptised by: J. Clayton Rector
Register: Baptisms 1904 - 1913, Page 498, Entry 3983
Source: LDS Film 2148089





Here are the 6 baptisms:

15/11/1874 Margaret June (sic)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65VH-PS?mode=g&i=264&wc=M6FH-DP8%3A143838901%2C144222501%2C144354301%3Fcc%3D1788853&cc=1788853

4/6/1876 James
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-65KS-91V?mode=g&i=80&wc=M6FH-6M9%3A143838901%2C144222501%2C144378601%3Fcc%3D1788853&cc=1788853

29/10/1879 Sarah Alice
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XS7S-7MM?mode=g&i=350&wc=M6FH-1NL%3A143838901%2C146460401%2C146469601%3Fcc%3D1788853&cc=1788853

15/9/1880 Emily
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6R4S-68N?mode=g&wc=M6FH-129%3A143838901%2C146460401%2C146488201%3Fcc%3D1788853&cc=1788853

6/9/1882 Frederick Harold
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6R4S-69M?mode=g&i=249&wc=M6FH-129%3A143838901%2C146460401%2C146488201%3Fcc%3D1788853&cc=1788853

10/10/1883 Mary Lilian
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-X9G9-P68?mode=g&i=57&wc=M6FH-1P8%3A143838901%2C146460401%2C146504301%3Fcc%3D1788853&cc=1788853






Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898q1
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Hannah JONES John Prestwich Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library PRE_RM/35/43

Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1901q1 JONES Hannah 31 Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library ANC/190/187
1905q1 JONES Hannah 39 Cheetham Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHE/117/252
1905q2 JONES Hannah 37 Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/125/88

I didn't find Hannah in 1901 - this death has the exact age of our lass, as well as being rego'ed in Newton
Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
Jones Hannah 37 Prestwich 8d 203

mgnv ...Many thanks indeed for this info...Thanks chuck x
Very much appreciated <3 :-)

there is also the 2 deaths I posted earlier

The 1901 death fits better as it means she would have died before the 1901 census