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10 Mar 2016 17:02 |
Can anybody give me any information about these people? They are my great great grandparents. They lived in Garston Liverpool in 1891 they had a number of children including my grandmother Mary who married William Wilkinson in 1907. Hope someonecan help. Thank you Margaret.
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10 Mar 2016 17:13 |
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Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%) Davies Samuel Liverpool 8b 158 Heaps James Liverpool 8b 158 Seymour Catherine Liverpool 8b 158 Vernon Jane Liverpool 8b 158
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10 Mar 2016 17:15 |
England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription Print transcription First name(s) Jane Last name Vernon Name note - Marriage year 1880 Marriage date 21 Mar 1880 Marriage place Liverpool Father's first name(s) James Father's last name Vernon Spouse's first name(s) Samuel Spouse's last name Davies Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel Spouse's father's last name Davies County Lancashire Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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10 Mar 2016 17:18 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 3, Clarence Grove, Garston, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Samuel Davies Head Married Male 28 1853 Furnaceman Cop Works (Manuf) Seacombe, Cheshire, England Transcription Jane Davies Wife Married Female 21 1860 - Sutton, Cheshire, England Transcription Saml Davies Father Widower Male 48 1833 Furnaceman Unemployed (Manuf) Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription Edwd Davies Brother Single Male 20 1861 Copper Miner Unemployed (Manuf) Seacombe, Cheshire, England Transcription Alfred Davies Brother Single Male 17 1864 Copper Miner Unemployed (Manuf) Seacombe, Cheshire, England
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10 Mar 2016 17:22 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Byron Street, Garston, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Samuel Davies Head Married Male 32 1859 General Labourer Seacombe, Cheshire, England Transcription Jane Davies Wife Married Female 31 1860 - Sutton, Cheshire, England Transcription Annie Davies Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Davies Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription Samuel Davies Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription Martha Davies Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription Samuel Davies Father Widower Male 60 1831 Labourer Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales
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10 Mar 2016 17:24 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 4, Neptune Street, Garston, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jane Davies Head Widow Female 39 1862 - Sutton Weaver, Cheshire, England Transcription Annie Davies Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Machine Minder (Bobbin Wks) Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription Samuel Davies Son Single Male 15 1886 Machine Minder (Bobbin Wks) Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription Martha Davies Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription Ellen Davies Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription George Davies Son - Male 5 1896 - Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription William Davies Son - Male 1 1900 - Garston, Lancashire, England Transcription George Parkinson Boarder Single Male 27 1874 Labourer In Timber Yard Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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10 Mar 2016 17:29 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 6, Salkelds Square, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Vernon Head Married Male 26 1835 General Labourer Bickerton, Cheshire, England Transcription Martha Vernon Wife Married Female 25 1836 - Sutton, Cheshire, England Transcription Jane Vernon Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Sutton, Cheshire, England
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Mar 2016 20:32 |
Margaret .............
what do you want to know about them??
Their descendants, or their ancestors??
It does help if you tell us exactly what you are looking for rather than the the rather vague request you've made!
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Mar 2016 20:38 |
their marriage from the Liverpool records on ancestry
Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Samuel Davies Birth Year: abt 1858 Age: 22 Marriage Date: 21 Nov 1880 Parish: Liverpool, St Nicholas Spouse's Name: Jane Vernon Father's name: Samuel Davies Spouse Father's Name: James Vernon Reference Number: 283 NIC/3/84
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Samuel Bachelor Occupation:- Furnace Man Address:- Kitchen Street Father occupation:- Furnace Man
Jane Age:- 20 [b.ca 1860] Spinster no occupation shown Address:- Kitchen Street Father occupation:- Labourer
Witnesses:- Henry Brown and Mary Jane Brown
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ArgyllGran
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10 Mar 2016 21:51 |
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Deaths Jun 1892 (>99%) Davies Samuel 34 W. Derby 8b 418
As son William Davies was born 1900, per 1901 census, in theory Samuel shouldn't have died until 1899-1900, but I don't see his death then.
Of course he could be another man's child, but still have his mother's surname if she hadn't remarried - as she clearly hadn't.
Similarly, son George.
(Wild guess - maybe son of George Parkinson, the boarder in 1901 ??)
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10 Mar 2016 21:57 |
And even more children born after William.:
Jane Davies in the 1911 England Census Name: Jane Davies Age in 1911: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Sutton Weaver, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Garston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 4 Neptune Street Garston Marital Status: Widowed Registration district: West Derby Registration District Number: 455 Sub-registration district: Wavertree ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Piece: 22689 Household Members: Name Age Jane Davies 51 Hannah Davies 29 Samuel Davies 24 Martha Davis 22 Elen Davis 18 Gorge Davis 15 Willie Davis 10 Herbert Davis 9 Elizabeth Davis 6
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10 Mar 2016 22:04 |
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Chapel Street, Poulton cum Seacombe, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Samuel Daries Head Married Male 29 1832 Boatman Wales Transcription Mary Daries Wife Married Female 26 1835 - Wales Transcription Samel Daries Son - Male 3 1858 - - Transcription Edward Daries Son - Male 0 1861 - -
samel and edward are both from seacombe
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Cynthia
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11 Mar 2016 16:45 |
Welcome to the Community boards Margaret.
(I'll let Margaret know how to find her replies) :-)
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ArgyllGran
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14 Mar 2016 15:44 |
PM from Margaret - I'll advise her to reply on here. (And the "Answered" trap strikes again!)
hello, it looks like you and I are thinking the same thing. The dates of birth for the younger children is one of the things confusing me. I know the date of date for Samual is correct from the parish records.Maybe your suggestion is right about the boarder,If i find out I will let you know. Thanks Margaret.
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SylviaInCanada
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14 Mar 2016 18:31 |
I got a similar pm for Margaret, saying that she really wanted to know if Jane had married again, although she is noted as Widow in 1911.
I also made the suggestion that any child born to a married woman is deemed to be the child of her husband unless she states otherwise. And that this applies even if he has been dead for a number of years. After all, her married name IS her legal surname.
Another possibility to consider is that at least 1 of the youngest children might be the child of one of Jane's older, unmarried daughters ......... it is far from unknown for parents to raise such children as their own.
Margaret ............
in future, will you please respond on the thread, then we can all see where we are.
Just scroll down to below the last post to the white box added Add Your Reply.
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Margaret
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15 Mar 2016 09:09 |
RE Samual Davies/Jane Vernon
Thank you to all who sent me information.You have given lots of leads that I can follow up .I am sure I will end up with more questions and will need your help again so watch this space . Thanks Margaret
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SylviaInCanada
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15 Mar 2016 16:13 |
You're very welcome
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