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Lesley
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9 Mar 2016 17:13 |
Hi, Catching up.. Walter Leonard is not mine, if you look at the 1911census you will see Walter L with family James and Susan and Walter with family James and Agnes, that's my Walter so none of the info re Walter Leonard is applicable. None of the family went abroad as far as I know. None of the children bar Susan Magdelen, who died age3yrs had second names. Thanks for your continuing interest. Lesley
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 21:25 |
unlikley it's your John but you never know ????
Name: John White Age: 47 Birth Date: abt 1894 Death Date: 19 Aug 1941 Cemetery: The Tower Hill Memorial Part Xvi Wan-Zul Burial Country: England Region or Memorial: Memorial Register
occupation:- Fireman Wife:- Ada Gladys of Litherland, Liverpool Son:- Frederick James (perished with his father)
...............would need to look into this one.
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Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Stokes Ada G H White St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1416 White John E Stokes St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1416
The district St.Geo.H.Sq. is an alternative name for St George Hanover Square and it spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Middlesex
SHAME your can rule this one out. Here they are in 1939
White Household (3 People) 18 Garrick Street , Litherland U.D., Lancashire, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Ada G White 08 Aug 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 76 2 John White 20 Mar 1895 Male Leather Packer (Tannery) Married 76 1 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Date of birth of John doesn't fit.
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 21:10 |
Any idea if any of the other children had middle names?
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 20:58 |
If you didn't know about the 1939 records, then you may not have Daisy in 1939
Probyn Household (6 People) Ivy Cottage Manygate Lane , Sunbury-on-Thames U.D., Middlesex, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Marguerite Probyn (White,Probyn) 13 Aug 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 10 2 John T Probyn 26 Nov 1899 Male House Decorator Married 10 1 Alan J Probyn 19 Nov 1928 Male At School Single 10 3 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Bryan J Probyn 18 Jan 1936 Male Under School Age Single 10 5 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
(records that are officially closed are for those people who may be living. To view the whole record you have to pay)
As it is possible to search these records using date of birth it may be possible to find the other members of the family, or at least possible records.
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 20:40 |
1939 records are on findmypast.co.uk
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Lesley
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2 Mar 2016 20:32 |
Hi Catherine, Thanks for all your hard work. Margurite (Daisy) is my Grandmother so I didn't include her as I know all about her. DOB for the others, I only have.. Agnes 13.5.1889. Ellen 5.11.1890 John 13.7.1894 Daisy 13.8.1904 Nothing for Walter I'm afraid. I had found the Elstree, Herts death but without buying the cert couldn't be sure, it looks as thought you are correct and that now gives his probable DOB. Thanks so much, how do I find this 1939 index? Lesley
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 20:00 |
Given date of birth, this looks to be Walter in 1939
White Household (1 Person) 95 Nelson Road , Hornsey M.B., Middlesex, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Walter L White 17 Jul 1898 Male Carpenter & Painter Married 255 1
............states he is married but no wife showing.
Possible marriages:-
Name: Walter L White Spouse Surname: Dedman Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1925 Registration district: Islington Inferred County: Middlesex Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 624 Find Spouse: Emily M Dedman
Name: Walter L White Spouse Surname: Browning Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1931 Registration district: Islington Inferred County: Middlesex Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 755 Find Spouse: Winifred E Browning
also this one also in Middlesex:-
Name: Walter L White Spouse Surname: Redish Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928 Registration district: Edmonton Inferred County: Middlesex Volume Number: 3a Page Number: 1167 Find Spouse: Ella K Redish
..............but he could of course have married anywhere.
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This would fit with the last marriage entry:-
Birth of a child to this couple:-
Births Jun 1930 (>99%) White Desmond L Redish Barnet 3a 841
Death of wife:-
Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%) WHITE Ella K 31 Barnet 3a 735
Child in 1939 (looks to be with his grandparents:-
Redish Household (3 People) 11 Prince George Road , Southgate M.B., Middlesex, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Desmond L White 14 May 1930 Male At School Single 150 3 Herbert E Redish 31 Dec 1865 Male Retired School Teacher Married 150 1 Elizabeth M Redish 24 Feb 1865 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 150 2
..........................but to know if this is relevant to your Walter you would have to buy the marriage certificate to see who is noted as father Walter, his age and occupation.
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 19:58 |
A tree on ancestry gives this for the family
ame Agnes H White Birth Date abt 1859 Date of Registration Mar 1938 Age at Death 79 Registration district Willesden Inferred County Middlesex Volume 3a Page 473
London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 Name Walter Leonard White Birth Date 17 Jul 1898 Birth Place 69 Ockendon Rd Islington Residence County Middlesex Admission Date 5 May 1914 Master's Name George Edward Briscoe Eyre Father's Name James White
Name Walter Leonard White Birth Date 17 Jul 1898 Date of Registration Mar 1982 Age at Death 83 Registration district Elstree Inferred County Hertfordshire Volume 10 Page 0291
No further information on the other members of the family.
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 18:22 |
1911 also shows another daughter:-
Name: Daisy White Age in 1911: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: STOKE NEWINGTON, London, England
..............so this looks to be the daughter from the marriage posted earlier.
Several reasons why a whole family may have vanished, including them having emigrated. Any chance that they may have gone abroad?
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 18:17 |
Just for info:-
Name: Agnes Ellen White Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: James White Birth Place: Scotland Civil Parish: Stoke Newington Search Photos: Search for 'Stoke Newington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 206 Folio: 127 Page Number: 23 Household schedule number: 157 Household Members: Name Age James White 39 Agnes Ellen White 40 Agnes White 11 John White 6 Walter White 3 Susan M White 1
..................shows mother had middle name Ellen and born Scotland
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 18:13 |
The 1906 marriage for Agnes isn't her:-
Name: Agnes White Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Age: 26 Spouse: Ernest Alfred Hill Spouse Age: 30 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Dec 1906 Parish: St Thomas, Finsbury Park Borough: Islington Father Name: William White Spouse Father: Edward Hill Register Type: Parish Register
..........her father was William and not James.
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Catherine
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2 Mar 2016 18:02 |
Do you have their exact dates of birth? It would be easier to find them in 1939 records.
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Maddie
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2 Mar 2016 17:24 |
?????? Marguerite (Daisy) White Marguerite (Daisy) White
1905–1981
Birth 1905 • Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England
Death 1981 • Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, England
Marriage 15 Jul 1927 • Kingston, Surrey, England John Thurston Probyn JOHN T Last name PROBYN Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1927 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ JOHN T PROBYN married MARGUERITE WHITE Spouse's last name WHITE District KINGSTON District number - County Surrey Country England Volume 2A Page 1244 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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Maddie
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2 Mar 2016 17:10 |
SUSAN MAGDALENE Last name WHITE Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1901 Age 3 Death quarter 1 Death year 1904 District HACKNEY County London Volume 1B Page 288 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain
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malyon
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2 Mar 2016 16:57 |
looks like agnes 1889 her marriage
she married ernest hill going by the births
Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%) Dashwood George Burrage Islington 1b 380 Scan available - click to view HAMMOND May Garnham Islington 1b 380 Scan available - click to view Hill Ernest Alfred Islington 1b 380 Scan available - click to view White Agnes Islington 1b 380
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Lesley
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2 Mar 2016 16:40 |
I am searching for any trace of my Grandmothers siblings. Agnes bn 1889 Islington. Ellen bn 1890 '' John bn 1894 '' Walter bn 1897 Susan Magdelena bn 1900 Hackney d. 1904 Parents James and Agnes White. I have baptisms and census up until 1911, Belived parents died 1919/20 and family lost contact. I anyone knows anything about these people I would be very grateful. Lesley
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