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Is any of this information of interest to you Carol?

Edit: 28th Feb.........Such a shame this thread was never acknowledged. A lot of time an effort was spent researching.

Welcome to the Community boards Carol.


(I'll let Carol know how to find her replies) :-)

Thanks PH

This looks like Arthur Baber in the 1881 Census
Name: Arthur Baber
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Sarah Baber
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 9 Plymouth St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Greengrocer
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
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Piece: 1156
Folio: 79
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Baber 58, born Portsmouth, Widow, Occ: Domestic Duties
Arthur Baber 18
Agnes Baber 16
Charles Baliey 2 (this was Sarah's grandson)

This looks like Sarah Watts in the 1871 census, who was a visiting The Baber family in 1891
in the 1871 England Census
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Name: Sarah Watts
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Watts
Gender: Female
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Trowbridge
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration district: Melksham
Sub-registration district: Trowbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 1920
Folio: 43
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Watts 31
Sarah Watts 29
Authevena Watts 9
Rose Watts 6<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Henry Watts 5


The Rose aged 6 is recorded as being born in PORTSMOUTH, the other children
and parents were borth in Wiltshire.

This looks like the same family in the 1881 census

Name: Sarah Watts
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: George Hy. Watts
Gender: Female
Where born: Trowbridge
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street address: 7 Adcroft St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Cloth Worker
Registration district: Melksham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2047
Folio: 135
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hy. Watts 41
Sarah Watts 39
Aurtheina Watts 19
Rose Watts 16<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Watts 16

Again Rose is recorded as being born in Portsmouth


JUST A THOUGHT !!

As Rosina married Arthur Baber in Melksham in 1883 I wonder if this Rose in the 1871 and 1881 census is Rosina Keats born in 1864 in Portsea (taken in and raised by Sarah Watts and her family)

Portsmouth Evening News - Friday 24 September 1915

UNDERWOOD- BABER On September 15th at St Luke's Church, by Rev, Basil S Aldwell, Frederick William, eldest son of Mr & Mrs Underwood of Trowbridge to E. R (Ruby), eldest daughter of the late Arthur Baber, contractor, Southsea.

Portsmouth Evening News - Tuesday 17 February 1942

BABER- Rosina aged 78, wife of the late Arthur Baber, passed peacefully away at St. Mary's hospital, February 14th. from loving son, Bert, daughter-in-law Ada.

Lots of ads in the paper for Arthur's business:

Portsmouth Evening News - Tuesday 10 July 1906

Lowest Summer Prices
COALS, COALS, COALS
ARTHUR BABER & SON,
NOW DISCHARGING A CARGO OF BEST HOUSE COAL,
IS PREPARED TO DELIVER AT 20S PER TON, THOROUGHLY SCREENED,
FOR CASH ONLY.
84 BELGRAVE STREET

or could be this one spelt keats the birth is right


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
KEATS Rosina Portsea 2b 447

this is the only birth for a rosina i found but she is born 1860 there is no other births in uk in bdm


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1860 (>99%)
KEATES Rosina Melksham 5a 93

First name(s) ELLICE R
Last name UNDERWOOD
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1885
Age 37
Death quarter 2
Death year 1922
District BRADFORD ON AVON
County Wiltshire
Volume 5A
Page 137
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Name:Frederick William Underwood

Gender:Male

Birth Date:abt 1877

Enlistment Age:38

Marriage Date:15 Sep 1915

Marriage Place:Portsmouth

Document Year:1915

Residence Place:25 Regents Place, Bradford on Avon

Regimental Number:187221

Regiment Name:Labour Corps

Number of Images:13

Form Title:Short Service Attestation

Family Members:



Relation to Soldier

Frederick William Underwood Self (Head)
Ellice Ruby Baber Spouse

Birth

First name(s) ELLICE RUBY
Last name BABER
Birth year 1884
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District PORTSEA ISLAND
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 521
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Buying the marriage cert would confirm father's name


First name(s) ELLICE R
Last name BABER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1915
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ELLICE R BABER married
FREDERICK W UNDERWOOD
Spouse's last name UNDERWOOD
District PORTSMOUTH
District number -
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 1266
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
84, Belgrave Street, Town, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England


Arthur Baber Head Married Male 38 1863 Carrige Propritor Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Rosina Baber Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Ruby E Baber Daughter Single Female 16 1885 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England <<<
Arthur H Baber Son Single Male 14 1887 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Herbert D Baber Son Single Male 4 1897 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
84 Belgrave St Southsea, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

elationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Arthur Baber Head Married Male Carriage Brake Proprietor And Coal Merchant 48 1863 Portsmouth Hants
Ellice Ruby Baber Daughter Single Female - 26 1885 Portsmouth Hants
Herbert Daniel Baber Son Single Male Omnibus Conductor 17 1894 Portsmouth Hants

This is my paternal grandmother - finding it hard to get back any further as I have no details of her parents' names or anything. I know she died in 1922 in Bradford on Avon. her married name was Underwood and I think she married Frederick William Underwood sometime around 1915. If anyone has any clues of any relatives of hers I'd love to hear - thanks