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At some point I will have to send off for Annie's birth certificate.

I am not related, Maria is my sons 3x gt grandmother on their dads direct line and I am intrigued to know if Annie is her daughter.

I am still struggling to find Emma c1863 in any record other than the 1871 census. Would someone mind taking a look for me. I've checked FMP and Freebmd.

Thank you

Chris

Just for the record -
details of Annie's birth record, as suggested by Chris earlier:

Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
KINGSTON Annie Rotherham 9c 443

Maria Hammerton
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Maria Hammerton
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Hammerton
Mother's name: Annie Hammerton
Gender: Female
Where born: Greasbrough, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Greasbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Kimberworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 2344
Folio: 267
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hammerton 41
Annie Hammerton 39
Henry Hammerton 16
Stephen Hammerton 14
George Hammerton 12
Maria Hammerton 11
Ann Hammerton 8
John Hammerton 5
Esther Hammerton 3
Francis Hammerton 3 Mo

Ancestry suggests this is Maria's birth:

Births Dec 1840 (>99%)
Hammerton Maria Rotherham 22 437



Maria Hammerton
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Maria Hammerton
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherham
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Jericho
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 3482
Folio: 82
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Moss 33
Susanna Moss 30
Annie L Moss 5
John H Moss 4
Maria Hammerton 20
Wm H Moss 7

The image of the 1871 above, says Emma was born Greasbrough.


Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%)
HAMILTON Maria Rotherham 9c 521
Kingston George Rotherham 9c 521


The dates don't make sense, but could this be her??

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
HAMILTON Emily Ann Rotherham 9c 414


Perhaps conceived before Maria's marriage, and not George's child, so registered as Hamilton ??? Long shot.


EDIT: No, it's not her:

Emily Ann Hamilton
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
death: 1862
Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

Wow you have been busy, thank you.

Looking at all the information you have found I believe you may be right. I wasn't aware that George and Maria had got a daughter named Annie as I haven't found her with the family in any census even in 1871. I have only found the following children

Emma 1863 - Unable to find birth record
Harry 1865
Eleanor 1867
Frank 1868
Tom 1871
George 1873

I have since tried looking for Annie in 1871 but cannot find her nor can I find a baptism record.

This is the family in 1871

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bradgate, Kimberworth, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England


George Kingston Head - Male 28 1843 - Yorkshire,
Maria Kingston Wife - Female 30 1841 - Yorkshire,
Emma Kingston Daughter - Female 8 1863 -
Harry Kingston Son - Male 7 1864 - Yorkshire,
Helener Kingston Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Yorkshire,
Frank Kingston Son - Male 2 1869 - Yorkshire,

Chris

1881 277,Wortley Road (Maria ward at 271 Wortley Road)
Annie Liversidge 1862 married to James
On the same page as George Neatby/Nealby born 1866 he married Annie's sister Ellen/Eleanor 20/3/1888
One of their children is with Maria Ward on the 1901 census posted above.

Ellen/Eleanor/Helener was with parents George and Maria Kingston in 1871.

So it is looking more like Annie was the daughter of George and Maria Kingston.

Maryb

By George, Chris, I think you've got it! Her name was Beatrice Liversidge Kingston:

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
Kingston Beatrice Liversidge Rotherham 9c 598

EDIT: sort of snap, Chris! You posted while I was still searching and typing.


RR posted the birth of a Beatrice Liversidge Kingston, which she discounted because the mother 's name was Annie.

In 1901 Thomas and Maria have a grand-daughter surnamed Liversidge, born in Bradgate, and a grandson with the middle name of Liversidge.
Liversidge was actually his surname, per his birth record, and his mother was Annie - see below.



Thomas Ward
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Thomas Ward
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Maria Ward
Birth Place: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Rotherham
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberworth St Thomas
Town: Rotherham
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: North West Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4397
Folio: 116
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ward 56
Maria Ward 60
Frank Kingston 32
George Kingston 27
Charlotte Liveroidge 19 - grand-daughter
Alex Liversidge Cook 2/12 - grandson
Mary Nealby 12 - grand-daughter


Alec Cooke Liversidge
in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alec Cooke Liversidge
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Dewsbury
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 619




Alec Cooke Liversidge
in the West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985
Name: Alec Cooke Liversidge
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Arthur Liversidge
Mother: Annie Gertrude Liversidge
Archive Location: Kirklees
Parish or Chapel: George Street Independent Chapel, Heckmondwike
Residence Place: Hurke
Reel Number: Batley Providence, Golcar, Heckmondwike, Hillhouse, Lockwood, Staincliffe; K 8
Reference Number: KC670/1/1/1



The grand-daughter Charlotte in 1891 - though with father namds James, not Arthur ?

Charlotte Liverridge
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Charlotte Liverridge
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Liverridge
Mother's name: Annie Liverridge
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradgate, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Kimberworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberworth
Town: Kimberworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3850
Folio: 73
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
James Liverridge 30
Annie Liverridge 28 - born Greasborough
Charlotte Liverridge 9
Robert Liverridge 7
Flory Liverridge 4



Annie Kingston
in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Annie Kingston
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Rotherham
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 866
Records on Page:
Name
James Frederick Johnston
Annie Kingston <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charlotte Ann Lavender
James Liversidge <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



So I would guess that Annie was a sister of Maria, and the Thomas and Maria had taken Beatrice to live with them before Annie married Mr Liversidge.


[EDIT: Or indeed, and more likely, given the ages, daughter of Maria, as Chris suggests.]

A possibility perhaps???

Could Annie Kingston (mother of Beatrice L Kingston bapt 5th Oct 1880) be the daughter of George and Maria Kingston??. (there is a birth reg for an Annie Kingston in 1862 in Rotherham)
Could the Beatrice Kingston shown in the census as the daughter of Maria and Thomas Ward be Maria's granddaughter ??

Possible marriage after Beatrice was born

:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
JOHNSTON James Frederick Rotherham 9c 866 Scan available - click to view
Kingston Annie Rotherham 9c 866 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lavender Charlotte Ann Rotherham 9c 866 Scan available - click to view
Liversidge James Rotherham 9c 866 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


1881 census:


Annie Liversidge
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Annie Liversidge
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Kimberworth, Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding, England
Registration District Rotherham
Residence Note Wortley Rd
Gender Female
Age 18
Marital Status (Original) Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1863
Birthplace Greasbro, Yorkshire, England
Page Number 10
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 4677/8
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
James Liversidge Head M 20 Everton, Lincolnshire, England
Annie Liversidge Wife F 18 Greasbro, Yorkshire, England
Beatrice Liversidge Daughter F 6 M Kimberworth, Yorkshire, England

Thank you so much for finding that birth Maddie, I had only checked 1880 and 1881 as the census had shown she was 11.

Thanks for everyone's help.

Chris

If she was born 1882 she wouldn't be on the 1881 census and also wouldn't be 11 in 1891.

PERHAPS THIS bEATRIE AND WHY SHE IS NOT ON 1881 CENSUS

Name: Beatrice Annie Ward
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Rotherham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 647

Thanks for your replies.

I'd guessed she was Thomas's daughter it was just surprising that she was down as Kingston and also she wasn't with them in the previous census. I haven't been able to find her in the previous census either.

Chris

they married 1877 so Beatrice must be Thomas's daughter
Name: Thomas Ward
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 3 Jun 1877
Marriage Place: Whiston, York, England
Spouse: Maria Kingston
FHL Film Number: 1938089
Reference ID: 114

1891 from ancestry

Name: Beatrice Ward
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Ward
Mother's name: Maria Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradgate, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Kimberworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberworth
Town: Kimberworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3851
Folio: 22
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ward 45
Maria Ward 51
Frank F Ward 23
Tom Ward 19
George Ward 17
Beatrice Ward 11

EDIT CHILDREM MISTRANSCRIBED ON ANCESTRY
AS bEATRICE WAS LAST ON LIST NUMERATOR PROBABLY ASSUMED SHE HAD SAME SURNAME AS OTHER CHILDREN

Just while I look

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
KINGSTON Beatrice Ann Leeds 9b 502

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
Kingston Beatrice Liversidge Rotherham 9c 598

Edit probably not as this is her baptism I think in spite of the name diffence
First name(s) Beatrice Leveridge
Last name Kingston
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 05 Oct 1880
Residence Kimberworth, York, England
Place Kimberworth
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Annie
Mother's last name Kingston
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

This is Maria with her second husband in 1881. Her first husband George Kingston had died in 1873.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
271, Wortley Road, Kimberworth, Rotherham, Yorkshire,

Thomas Ward Head Married Male 36 1845 Laborer In Iron Works Worksop, Nottinghamshire,
Maria Ward Wife Married Female 42 1839 - Greasbrough, Yorkshire,
Ellen Kingston Step Daughter Single Female 14 1867 - Sheffield, Yorkshire,
Frank Kingston Step Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Greasbrough, Yorkshire,
Thomas Kingston Step Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Kimberworth, Yorkshire,
George Kingston Step Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Kimberworth, Yorkshire,

I then find the family in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bradgate Lane, Kimberworth, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

Thomas Ward Head Married Male 45 1846 General Labourer Harthill, Yorkshire, England
Maria Ward Wife Married Female 51 1840 - Greasbrough, Yorkshire, England
Frank F Kingstone Son Single Male 23 1868 Coal Miner Greasbrough, Yorkshire, England
Tom Kingstone Son Single Male 19 1872 Coal Miner Bradgate, Yorkshire, England
George Kingstone Son Single Male 17 1874 Coal Miner Bradgate, Yorkshire, England
Beatrice Kingstone Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Bradgate, Yorkshire, England

Maria's children are now shown as Thomas's children not step-children however there is now Beatrice who is shown with the surname Kingstone but she wasn't shown with the family in 1881.

I have found a birth for a Beatrice Kingston but think I have found her with her parents in 1881. I cannot find a birth for a Beatrice Ward.

Thanks for reading

Chris