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That is the family that I tthink is his but I can not think of a way to prove it. He does not appear with any possible siblings after his marriage

1851

George Williams 30 occ Butcher Not born in county
Harriot 30 Not born in county
Harriot 7 Not born in county
George 5 Not born in county
William 3 b Surrey
Eliza 1 b Surrey
Residing at St Windmill Street, St Mary, Lambeth
Census ref HO107/1060/ 6/4 / 3

He showed as cab driver or carman.

I wondered abt his first child named Mary Ann Harriett. Named after mother and grandmother?

What was John's occupation on ohter census as he was a Carman on his marriage please?

The 1851 George Williams may have died 1851 St George Southwark or 1852 Bermondsey. In 1871 Harriett(widow) is living with son in law and daughter Thomas and Harriett Bryant.

Andy I think the first Witness is T Barnes.

Name:
John Williams Occ Carman
Spouse:Mary Ann Lee
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:31 May 1868
Parish:St Mary, Islington
Borough:Islington
Father Name:George Edwin Williams
Spouse Father:Peter Lee
Register Type:Parish Register

Address for both 24 Norfolk street
Witnesses J Barnes? and Maria Bennett

Andy

Gins - Sorry but can not make out names
Ann - what is occupation of George E in 18

Ed

Can you post the names of the witnesses (and the address) to the marriage please

John may not have known his father and so made the name up?

Name John Williams
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1868
Registration District Islington
County London
Event Place Islington, London, England
Volume 1B
Page 476
Line Number 325

John Williams probably married one of the following people

Name Mary Ann Lee

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Name John Williams
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Registration District Marylebone
Residence Note Upper Norton Street
Gender Male
Age 5
Marital Status Unmarried
Occupation At Home
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1846
Birthplace Pancras, Middlesex
Page Number 3
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1486 / 109
Affiliate Record Type Household


George E Williams Head M 36 Pancrass, Middlesex
Ann F Williams Wife F 29 Pancrass, Middlesex
Edward Williams Son M 11 St George Bloomsbury, Middlesex
George F Williams Son M 8 Pancras, Middlesex
William H Williams Son M 6 Pancras, Middlesex
John Williams Son M 5 Pancras, Middlesex
Albert Williams Son M 2 Pancras, Middlesex
Mary Musgrove Servant F 23 Pancras, Middlesex
Fanny Ruff Servant F 18 Marylebone, Middlesex

I am having a hard time trying to find any trace of John prior to his 1868 marriage. He married Mary Ann/Marion Lee 31 May 1868 Islington St Mary. Record shows that his father was George Edwin Williams -butcher. Census that I can find are 1871 Islington John born 1847 Bermondsey, 1891 Islington John born 1849 Mdx and 1901 Islington John born 1848 Bermondsey. It looks like John died 1908 Islington.
The only George Williams (butcher) that I can find is 1851 St George Southwark with wife Harriett who have a son John born 1848 Surrey. Problem is that I think this is George Baily Williams who married Harriett Godsbee 1833 Kent.