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I am looking for information on my g. g. grandfather Mr. David Baillie, Farmer in Waverton Cheshire UK. The farm was owned by the Marquis of Westminster. One of his sons Edmund Baillie became the M D of a Nursery and seed business in Chester.. Any hints help would really be appreciated

It would really help Ken if we had some dates and perhaps what you know so far.

Does your David Baillie have a middle name - if you go into Search All Records you can make a start there if you have no other information.

Good luck

This looks to be son Edmund and his Family in the 1891 Census

Edmund J Baillie 39 b Hawarden, Cheshire occ Seed Merchant and Nurseryman
Harriet Dinah 39 Whittington Shropshire
Edmund 17 Chester occ In Father's office as Accountant
John David 16 Chester occ Booksellers Apprentice
Harriet Eliza 14 Chester
Charles Henry K 12 Chester
Rose Eveline 10 Chester
Leonard Ruskin 7 Chester
Daisy Beatrice 5 Chester
Ivy C 2 Upton, Chester
Mary Jane Fletcher 16 Servant

Living Upton, Chester

Edmund with Father David in 1861 Census


David Baillie 39 b Scotland occ Agency Clerk
Elizabeth 30 b London Middlesex
Edmund John 9 b Hawarden, Flintshire
Alexander Kinnear 7 b Hawarden
Henry 5 b Hawarden
Elizabeth 3 Harwarden
John Warburton Servant
Sarah Warburton Servant

Family living Harwarden, Great Boughton, Cheshire

Father David in 1871 Census living in Waverton, Cheshire

David Baillie 46 b Scotland occ Farmer
Elizabeth 39 b Middlesex
Henry 15 b Flintshire
Elizabeth 13 b Cheshire
Duncan 6 b Cheshire
Sarah Kelly 21 b Flintshire occ Servant

This looks to be David in 1851 Census living in Harwarden, Great Boughton, Flintshire

David Baillie 25 b Scotland occ Bookkeeper
Elizabeth S 24 b London occ Governess
Hannah Astbury 14 b Liverpool occ Pupil
Sarah A Githens 17 b Flintshire Servant

Possible Burial for David
Name David Baillie
Aged 54
Abode Waverton
Burial 10 Jun 1879

There is this Marriage in Shropshire which I think could be David's Marriage

Date 3 April 1850, St Mary's Shrewsbury Shropshire
Groom David Baillie Occ Bookkeeper Full Age Bachelor
Abode Hawarden, Flintshire
Father John Baillie Occ Contractor
Bride Elizabeth Stanbrough Ball Full Age, Spinster
Abode Chester St, Saint Mary's
Father Edmund Richard Ball occ Paper Maker
Witnesses Richard Neptunes (looks like) & Emma Ball

Welcome to GR Ken.


Wife Elizabeth is a widow in the 1881 census........

Elizabeth Baillie in the 1881 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Baillie
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Waverton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Marital Status: Widow

Occupation: Farmer Of 75 Acres
Registration district: Chester
Household Members:


Elizabeth Baillie 49
Alick H. Baillie 27 (Farmer)
Elizabeth Baillie 23
Duncan Baillie 14 (Railway Clerk)
Elizabeth Stokes 18 (General Servant)

Elizabeth's death.....

Deaths Jun 1889 (>99%)
BAILLIE Elizabeth Stanborough 58 Eastbourne 2b 42


Stanborough mis-transcribed on the burial record......

Elizabeth Stanbowash Baillie in the England, Select Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
Name: Elizabeth Stanbowash Baillie
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1831
Death Age: 58
Burial Date: 7 May 1889
Burial Place: Waverton, Cheshire, England

I found this death for an Edmund Richard Ball......


Deaths Mar 1843 (>99%)
BALL Edmund Richard Shrewsbury 18 157

I thought I would check out any Edmund Balls in Shewsbury, Shropshire (Where Elizabeth married) on the 1841 census and found this......

(Note that one of the witnesses at Elizabeth's marriage was...Emma Ball)

Edmund Ball in the 1841 England Census
Name: Edmund Ball
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: St Mary
Hundred: Shrewsbury Borough
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England


Registration district:Shrewsbury
Sub-registration district: St Mary

Household Members:

Edmund Ball 50 (Commercial Traveller)
Mary Ball 45
Emma Ball 20
Rosanne Ball 15
Eliza Ball 15 <<<<< Elizabeth???
Cecele Ball 11 ....Born Foreign Parts
Ellen Ball 7

(All born out of County) Res: Chester Street

Checking out baptism's for the children, I found......

Rosanne Ball in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Rosanne Ball
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1822
Born: Sep 7th 1819
Father's name: Edmund Richard Ball (Lambard Street) Paper Maker
Mother's name: Mary Anne Ball
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Edmund the King and Martyr
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers


On the same page with the same details of parents....all baptised on the same day...

Rebecca Ball Born: Feb 24th 1818
Emma Ball Born: July 1st 1816
Caroline Ball Born: Sep 3rd 1813
Charles Edmund Ball Born Nov 12th 1812
Elizabeth Stanbrough? Ball Born: Oct 12th 1821

Cecele Lucie Ball in the Wales, Select Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907
Name: Cecele Lucie Ball
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1829
Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1834
Baptism Place:Penbryn Independent OR Congregational,Wrexham,Denbigh,Wales
Father: Edmund Richd. Ball
Mother: Mary Ann

On the same page.......

Ellen Grace Ball....Born 29th Nov 1833 Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales

??

Edmund Rich Ball in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Edmund Rich Ball
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 13 Jan 1810
Marriage Place: Merrow,Surrey,England
Spouse: My An Stanbrough

Taking into consideration that ages were often narrowed down in the 1841 census, I am wondering (as I can't find a baptism for an Eliza Ball)......that Eliza on the 1841 census is actually Elizabeth.

Elizabeth's age varies on all the census records.

Maryann Ball in the 1851 England Census
Name: Maryann Ball
Age: 63
Estimated birth year: abt 1788
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shrewsbury St Mary
Town:Shrewsbury
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Household Members:

Maryann Ball 63 (Widow) Schoolmistress
Emma Ball 30 (Teacher) Claudon?? Surrey
Ellen Ball 15 (Scholar) Wrexham Denbighshire, Wales

Res: Chester Street.

As Ken is a new member, i will send him a PM to let him know he has received replies.

Prickles. ;o))

29 June 1872 - Cheshire Observer - Chester, Cheshire, England

Marriage
On the 26th inst. at the Parish Church of St. John, by the Rev. W. B. Marsden, rector, Edmund John, eldest son of Mr. David Baillie, Waverton. to Harriet Dinah, daughter of Mr. John B. Jones, of this city.


Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875

BAILLIE Edmund J JONES Harriet D Chester, St John Cheshire West CE13/9/106

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


01 March 1884 - Cheshire Observer - Chester, Cheshire, England

Marriage
On February 26th, at the Parish Church, Ruabon, Lily, only daughter of the late David Baillie, Waverton, to Harry, eldest son of George Heynes, Esq., Greenfield House, Harborne, Birmingham.


14 June 1879 - Cheshire Observer - Chester, Cheshire, England

Death
On the 6th inst., at Waverton, near Chester, David Baillie, aged 54 years.


Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1879

BAILLIE David 54 Tattenhall Cheshire West TAT/13/34


18 May 1889 - Sussex Agricultural Express - Lewes, East Sussex, England

Death
On the13th inst., at 14, Gildredge-road, Eastbourne, the residence of her son, Elizabeth Stanborough, widow of the late David Baillie, of Waverton, Chester, aged 58 years.

Chris :)

edits (if the 1884 Marriage posted above)

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
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Baillee Elizabeth Wrexham 11b 321
Heynes Henry Edmund Wrexham 11b 321


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4591409/4591417/72/

(good account of Wedding on above!)

Edmund John Baillie in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Edmund John Baillie
Probate Date: 18 Oct 1897
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 18 Oct 1897
Death Place: Cheshire, England

Of "Woodbines" Newton by Chester, Cheshire...seed merchant and nurseryman.

To Harriet Dinah Baillie...widow

Effects: £12144 1s 11d


Harriet Dinah Baillie in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Harriet Dinah Baillie
Probate Date: 12 Feb 1907
Registry: Cheshire
Death Date: 6 Mar 1905
Death Place: Cheshire, England

Of 20 Brook - Lane Chester...widow

To Rose Evelyn Baillie spinster.

Effects: £176 9s 7d

Between 1897 and 1905 Harriet appears to have 'got rid of' around £12000 - that, in today's money would be around £680,000 - I wonder what she spent it on?? ;-) :-D

Dea x

Edmund and Harriet had about 10 children......so maybe she shared it out between them.

:-)

Hello Ken??

Well......Ken opened my message yesterday but I didn't receive a reply!

:-(

Is any of the above information of interest to you Ken?

;-) Thanks for all your help

;-) Thanks for all your help

;-) Thanks for all your help