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Reuben Sidney Clarke married Mary Brown 4/10/1840 at Bingham Notts. In all the Census both Reuben and Mary are shown as being born about 1820/1821.
However, the marriage cert says they were both aged 32 (1808). In addition, it also says Reuben's father is named as John Bradshaw!
Any thoughts?
Gerry :-)
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REUBEN SIDNEY
Last name CLARKE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1821
Age 87
Death quarter 2
Death year 1908
District BINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 7B
Page 259
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd
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1851 census suggests both born c1821
Reuben T Clarke 30
Mary Clarke 30
Sarah A Clarke 10
Frances Clarke 7
Jane Clarke 5
Henry Clarke 2
Andy
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Death records would appear to support a birth c1821
Reuben Sidney Clarke
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name Reuben Sidney Clarke
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1908
Registration District Bingham
County Nottinghamshire
Event Place Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 87
Birth Year (Estimated) 1821
Volume 7B
Page 259
Line Number 211
Could the marriage certificate numbers be poorly written i.e. 32 for 22, wrongly written at the time and not noticed or wrongly transcribed. Have you seen the parish register itself?
Wendy on her Notts Archives thread may be able to look up the parish register for you if you're not in the Notts area
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1266434
She may also be able to look for baptisms.
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a tree on ancestry has his ather as John Bradshaw born 1775 and married to Francis Bickett 1812 St Mart's Nottinghamshire
1841 ?????????????
1841 England Census
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Name John Clarke
Age 64
Estimated Birth Year abt 1777
Gender Male
Where born Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish Lynby
Hundred Broxtow (North Division)
County/Island Nottinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Basford
Sub-registration district Arnold
Piece 858
Book 5
Folio 8
Page number 9
Household Members
Name Age
John Clarke 64 ---- a farmer
Frances Clarke 45 ----- not born in the county
Jamie Clarke 15
Thos Clarke 12
Ann Robinson 70
Frances Salle 4
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Hi Maddie.
Yes, I have seen that Tree and the 1841 census but cannot see how John Bradshaw becomes John Clarke!!
Thanks for the tip Greyghost.I have written to Wendy
Gerry :-)
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Deaths Mar 1882 (>99%)
Clarke Mary 61 Bingham 7b 287
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Perhaps he was base born and his mothers maiden name was Clarke.
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Reuben Clarke
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name Reuben Clarke
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Ratcliffe On Trent, Nottinghamshire, England
Enumeration District 7
Gender Male
Age 50
Marital Status Married
Occupation Brazier Publican
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1821
Birthplace Nottinghamshire
Entry Number 16
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/3549/0038
HOUSEHOLD
ROLE
GENDER
AGE
BIRTHPLACE
Reuben Clarke Head M 50 Nottinghamshire
Mary Clarke Wife F 51 Bingham, Nottinghamshire
George Clarke Son M 14 Radcliffe, Nottinghamshire
Zillah Clarke Daughter F 12 Radcliffe, Nottinghamshire
Emily Clarke Daughter F 9 Radcliffe, Nottinghamshire
Adam Clarke Son M 7 Radcliffe, Nottinghamshire
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Second marriage?
Nottinghamshire marriages, 1528-1929 Transcription
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First name(s) Reuben Sidney
Last name Clark
Marriage year 1890
Marriage date 29 Jul 1890
Marriage place Sneinton
Church St Matthias
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Ellen
Spouse's last name Irving
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Notintone Place, Snenton, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Farrands Head Widower Male 69 1822 Living On Own Means Sneinton, Nottinghamshire, England
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Reuben Clarke Visitor Married Male 70 1821 Tinman & Brazier Nottinghamshire, England
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Norah Clarke Visitor Married Female 38 1853 Lace Hand Manchester
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Sarah Irvin Lodger Widow Female 67 1824 Lace Hand Ashton under Lyne
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John Henry Burges Lodger Single Male 28 1863 Mechanic Middlesex, England
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Reform Street, Sutton in Ashfield, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Irvin Head Married Male 40 1821 Stocking Framework Knitter Kirkby, Nottinghamshire, England
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Sarah Irvin Wife Married Female 37 1824 - Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England
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Harriett Irvin Daughter - Female 12 1849 - Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England
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>>Elizabeth Irvin Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England
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Rebecca Irvin Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England
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Sarah Irvin Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Reform Street Mellers Row, Sutton in Ashfield, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Irving Head - Male 53 1818 - Nottinghamshire, England
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Sarah Irving Wife - Female 48 1823 - Nottinghamshire, England
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>>Elizabeth Irving Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Nottinghamshire, England
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Rebecca Irving Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Nottinghamshire, England
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Sarah Irving Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Nottinghamshire, England
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Lawrence Radford Boarder - Male 57 1814 - Nottinghamshire, England
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Hi all
Thanks for your input.
I think the marriage of 1890 is probably one the original Reuben's descendants, but I am going to have to check it out.
Not much luck on Reuben's dad tho
Gerry :-)
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It is not at all unusual for young children to start using their stepfather's surname.
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09 October 1840 - Lincolnshire Chronicle - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Married
On Sunday last, at Bingham, Mr. Reuben Clark, brazier, to Miss Mary Brown, daughter of Widow Brown, dealer in earthenware, &c.
(wondered if Travellers/Romany related perhaps?)
Chris :)
(the 1820 you refer to on Wendy's 'Thread')
Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Nottingham
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 10 Jun 1820
Person forename Reuben
Person sex M
Person abode Turn Calf Alley
Father forename Robert
Father surname CLARK
Father occupation Twister
Mother forename Mary
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/24707/page/2736/data.pdf
(Reuben Clarke, of Cliff House, Radcliffe-on-Trent, in the county of Nottingham, Beerhouse Keeper)
(seeing Zillah on 1871, wondered if below related to Mary)
Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Bingham
Church name St Mary and All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 17 Nov 1811
Person forename Zillah
Father forename Samuel
Father surname BROWN
Mother forename Ann
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Chris.
Thanks for finding that newspaper article.I love those touches
Gerry :-)
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Hi All,
For those of you who are following this thread I have looked at the actual church marriage record and the ages are down as 22 years making his birth 1818 Also looked for a christening for Reuben but apart from the 1820 one cannot find one. I also looked for a maintenance order and the only one I could find says:
son born to Mary Clarke on 6 April 1817 at St Mary's parish Nottingham naming John Bradshaw a wharfinger of Nottingham as the father.
So is this child Reuben? but all census says Reuben born Bingham, I cannot find a christening for this child either.
I have sent Gerry a pm with a copy of the marriage.
Wendy
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