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Florence61
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5 Jan 2016 09:29 |
I am looking for George Prophet B1877 Chorlton. He had a twin brother John and 2 other brothers James B 1878 and William B 1881. John was my Grandmother's father and I have all the family tree with this info except It would appear, that I have taken a wrong turn with George!
He appears on the 1901 census living with his grandmother and brothers as both parents died young. For ref his father is John Prophet b 1850 and his mother Maria b 1852.
I just cant find any trace of George in 1911 although there is a soldier showing as a serviceman during 1806-1915? soldier number 6278.
I went wrong by thinking that George Jennings prophet was my gg Uncle and I now know this is incorrect. So am wanting to re work this twig of the family tree. Any help would be appreciated as I seem to have hit a brick wall.
Thanks Florence in the hebrides
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jan 2016 11:01 |
So far, I can't see the 1901 record you mention.
Just for our reference: These will be the boys in 1891 with their grandmother. (Ancestry has included the Traynor family next door in their transcription, so I've missed them out.)
George Prophet in the 1891 England Census Name: George Prophet Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Hulme; Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Cheadle Ecclesiastical parish: Cheadle Town: Cheadle County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: 92 School Street Registration district: Stockport ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2806 Folio: 9 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Downie 65 - mother, widow Mary A Trayner 38 - actually Murdock, daughter Emma Trayner 36 - actually Prophet, daughter Betsy Trayner 22 - Prophet, daughter John Murdock 17 - grandson Eliz A Murdock 15 - grand-daughter Mary Alice Murdock 8 - gr-daughter John Prophet 14 - gr-son George Prophet 14 - gr-son - factory operative James Prophet 12 - gr-son
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greyghost
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5 Jan 2016 11:01 |
Is this the family you are looking at - with Grandma in 1891? For reference
Seems odd his "twin" brother is born Stockport and George in Hulme?
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription School Street, Cheadle, Stockport, Cheshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Ann Downie Mother Widow Female 65 1826 - Stockport, Cheshire, England Mary A Murdock Daughter Married Female 38 1853 Factory Operative Boston, Lincolnshire, England Emma Prophet Daughter Single Female 36 1855 Factory Operative Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Betsy Prophet Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Factory Operative Macclesfield, Cheshire, England John Murdock Grandson Single Male 17 1874 Factory Operative Stockport, Cheshire, England Eliz A Murdock Granddaughter - Female 15 1876 Factory Operative Stockport, Cheshire, England Mary Alice Murdock Granddaughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Stockport, Cheshire, England John Prophet Grandson - Male 14 1877 Factory Operative Stockport, Cheshire, England George Prophet Grandson - Male 14 1877 Factory Operative Hulme, Lancashire, England James Prophet Grandson - Male 12 1879 Factory Operative Hulme, Lancashire, England
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KathleenBell
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5 Jan 2016 11:03 |
Where was he in 1901 with his grandmother because I can't find him?
There is this death in South Africa. Could this be a possibility? :-
GRO NATAL & S.AFRICAN FORCES DEATHS (1899 to 1902)
First name(s) G Last name PROPHET Death year 1899-1902 Year range 1899-1902 Regiment - Country SOUTH AFRICA Record source GRO Natal & South African Forces Death (1899 to 1902) Page 337 Record set British nationals armed forces deaths 1796-2005 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain
On the image this soldier was in the 3rd Lancaster Regiment.
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greyghost
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5 Jan 2016 11:05 |
This is his Attestation from the Militia to actual service - his address of residence is as per 1891 census i.e. School Street
British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
First name(s) GEORGE Last name PROPHET Birth year 1877 Birth parish STRATFORD Birth town MANCHESTER Birth county LANCASHIRE Birth country ENGLAND Service number 6278 Rank - Regiment - Document Type Attestation Attestation year 1899 Attestation Day 2 Attestation Month 1 Attestation age years 22 Attestation age months - Attestation Corps 3RD BN ROY LANC RGT Attestation service number 6278 Series WO96 militia service records 1806-1915 Box 75 Box Record Number 78 Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain
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KathleenBell
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5 Jan 2016 11:07 |
That would seem to tie in with the death in South Africa.
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greyghost
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5 Jan 2016 11:08 |
Papers show he died of " Enteric" 28.6.1900. presume Enteric Fever
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PricklyHolly
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5 Jan 2016 11:09 |
He was actually born in 1876.....
George Prophet in the Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 Name: George Prophet Birth Date: 25 Apr 1876 Age: 0 Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1876 Parish: Hulme, St Michael Parish as it Appears: S Michael Hulme Father's name: John Prophet (Brewer) 5 Primrose Hill. Mother's name: Maria Prophet nee Warburton Reference Number: M320/7/1/2 Item Number: 5 Archive Roll: 817
Twin brother John is on the same page.
Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%) PROPHET John Manchester 8d 298 WARBURTON Maria Manchester 8d 298
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greyghost
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5 Jan 2016 11:09 |
Reckon this is the same chap, although Service Number "different" probably a badly written 1 or 7. Here it's 6218, attestation transcript shows 6278, where the original looks as though the 1 has been re written, possibly over the top of an original 7?
Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902 Transcription
First name(s) G Last name Prophet Service number(s) 6218 Rank Private Regiment The King's Own (Royal Lancaster) Notes [Anglo-Boer War Memorials Project] Initial 'J' Memorials Priory & Parish Church St Mary's. Regimental Chapel north wall. Lancaster, LANCASHIRE, England Units Unit: 3 The King's Own (Royal Lancaster) Battalion, Rank: Private, Number: 6218 Casualty units The King's Own (Royal Lancaster) Casualty details Disease on 28 June 1900 at Bloemfontein (2) (Official casualty roll location: Bloemfontein) Casualty notes - Casualty source South African Field Force. JB Hayward & Sons Gazzetteer [2926: 2907-2614] the capital of the Orange Free State (Bloemfontein district; Free State). The city and district furnished commandos for the Boer forces (Cmdt P.J. Fourie; Cmdt W.J. Kolbe; Cmdt J.P. Ackerman; Cmdt J.J. Boshoff). As British forces advanced from the west, President M.T. Steyn left by train on the evening of 12 March 1900 and the city was abandoned for Field Marshal Lord Roberts to make a ceremonial entry on the following day. In the early hours of that morning, a party of volunteers commanded by Maj A.G. Hunter-Weston, RE, cut the railway line north of the city; on their return, the party clashed with a Boer piquet and for saving one of the party who became unhorsed, Sgt H. Engleheart, 10th (Prince of Wales's Own) Hussars, was awarded the Victoria Cross. It became the focus for British reinforcements and a military reorganization and on 3 May Roberts left the city to begin his advance on Pretoria*. A prisoner of war camp for burghers and a white concentration refugee camp were established here. From May 1901 the defence of the city and surrounding area was entrusted to some 3,000 South African Constabulary. HMG II pp.230-240 (map no.25), III pp.27ff, IV pp.668 and 701; Times III pp.589ff, IV pp.1-22 and 102, V p.260; Breytenbach V pp.112ff; Wilson II pp.542-545, IV p.574; De Wet pp.72-77; Yardley pp.51-52; Goldmann pp.158-160 (second and third maps facing p.160); Pakenham pp.391ff and 536-538. Country Great Britain Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Boer Wars Collections from Great Britain Copyright Jones (UK) Ltd
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KathleenBell
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5 Jan 2016 11:16 |
I think Florence must have meant the 1891 census rather than the 1901 census.
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greyghost
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5 Jan 2016 11:27 |
Was in 4th VB Cheshire Regiment Militia when he attested. Born Parish of Stratford Residing 120 School Street, Cheadle Heath Labourer Single Age 22 5' 3" 117 lbs Chest min 32", max 34" Fresh complexion, grey eyes, Brown hair C of E Attested 2.1.99 Attended embodiment of Battalion 23.1.00
Died 28.6.00
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Florence61
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5 Jan 2016 11:33 |
hello again peeps.
can I just say a huge thankyou to you all. This seems to have solved my mystery of why I couldn't find a marriage or him in 1911 or 1901. yes sorry earlier I did mean 1891!
very interesting to read about him in south Africa and my father will enjoy hearing this about him. My grandmother never said her father was a twin and I only discovered this a few years ago after my grandma had died!
Thanks again for all your replies and info, very much appreciated.
Florence in the hebrides :-D :-D
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greyghost
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5 Jan 2016 11:33 |
Have sent Military record Attestation papers (3 pages) by PM - hopefully
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Florence61
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5 Jan 2016 11:49 |
Thankyou I have received them and sent you a reply.
Florence in the hebrides :-D :-D
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