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16 Dec 2015 19:35 |
Wonder if someone can help please, I am looking for any info on Jane M Roberts dob circa 1886 from the Llanfrothen/Caernarfon area. She married my grandfather John Atkinson from the Ruthin, Denbighshire area. Thank you
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SylviaInCanada
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16 Dec 2015 19:51 |
You don't give any dates for the marriage ..............
is this it???
Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%) ATKINSON John Ruthin 11b 591
ROBERTS Jane Ruthin 11b 591
I take it you do not have the marriage certificate?? That should have her father's name, and occupation, and even possibly family members as witnesses
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16 Dec 2015 19:57 |
Is this Jane and John on the 1911 Census??
1911 Census
Name: Jane Atkinson Age in 1911: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Gwraig (Wife) Gender: Female Birth Place: Llanfrothen, Denbighshire, Wales Civil Parish: Gyffylliog Search Photos: Search for 'Gyffylliog' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales Street address: Pistyll Gwyn Bontuchel Ruthin Marital Status: Priod (Married) Years Married: 2 Estimated Marriage Year: 1909 Registration district: Ruthin Registration District Number: 622 Sub-registration district: Ruthin ED, institution, or vessel: 02 Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 34081
John Atkinson 26 b.ca 1885, Llangynhafal, Denbighshire, Occupation: Llafurwr Gyffredeaol Jane Atkinson 23 Edth Atkinson 1 Ann Atkinson 49 b.ca 1862, Llangynnin, Denbighshire, Mother Ann Atkinson 7 Days Jane James 66 b.ca 1845, Llanynys, Denbighshire, Single, Retired
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16 Dec 2015 20:17 |
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a possible???
This is the only Jane Roberts born Llanfrothen showing in 1891
1891 Census
Name: Jane Roberts Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Mary Roberts Gender: Female Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanfrothen Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen Town: Croesor County/Island: Merionethshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Festiniog Sub registration district: Festiniog ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 4647 Folio: 40 Page Number: 14
Mary Roberts 42 b.ca 1849, Llanfihangel Penant, Caernarvonshire, Widow, Farmer-ess Catherine Roberts 17 b.ca 1874, Llanfihangel Penant, Caernarvonshire, Assisting on Farm Jane Roberts 3 Griffith Jones 18 Farm Labourer
Address:- Creua
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16 Dec 2015 20:21 |
and the same Jane in 1901 ??????????????????
1901 Census
Name: Jane Roberts Age in 1901: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanfrothen Search Photos: Search for 'Llanfrothen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen County/Island: Merionethshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Festiniog Sub-registration district: Deudraeth ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 43 Piece: 5256 Folio: 137 Page Number: 9
Ellen Jones 49 b.ca 1852, Anglesea, Aberffraw, C. M. Minister's wife Jane Roberts 13 In School
Address:- Scloam 3
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Catherine
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16 Dec 2015 20:21 |
Where do get the M from as neither the marriage nor the 1911 census gives a middle initial?
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Chris Ho :)
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16 Dec 2015 20:22 |
(looking at image, would below be baby?, seems a Male)
Births Jun 1911 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------- Atkinson George N Ruthin 11b 283
Chris :)
Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------- Atkinson George N Hughes Ruthin 11b 543 Hughes Mary F Atkinson Ruthin 11b 543
(his Death 1961)
edits (also, not Edith 1911, but below!)
Births Dec 1909 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------- ATKINSON Edward Henry Ruthin 11b 285
(his Death 1995)
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Catherine
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16 Dec 2015 20:25 |
There's also this one:-
1891
Name: Jane Roberts Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Roberts Mother's name: Ellen Roberts Gender: Female Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanfrothen Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen Town: Croesor County/Island: Merionethshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Festiniog Sub registration district: Festiniog ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4647 Folio: 53 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age William Roberts 31 - born: Criccieth, Caernarvonshire 1860 Ellen Roberts 31 - born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, David G Roberts 5 Jane Roberts 2 Ellen Roberts 18/12 Ellen L Lloyd 18
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SylviaInCanada
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16 Dec 2015 20:26 |
working backwards with catherine
???possible
1881 Census
Name: Catherine Roberts Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Mary Roberts Gender: Female Where born: Llanihengel, Caernarvonshire, Wales [Llanfihangel, Caernarvonshire, Wales] Civil Parish: Llanfrothen County/Island: Merionethshire Country: Wales Street address: Creva
Registration district: Festiniog Sub registration district: Festiniog ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 5552 Folio: 9 Page Number: 11
Mary Roberts 32 b.ca 1849, Llanihengel, Caernarvonshire, Wales [Llanfihangel, Caernarvonshire, Wales] , Head, Widow, Farmer's Widow Catherine Roberts 7 Thomas J. Roberts 3 b.ca 1878, Llanfrothen, Merionethshire Henry Jones 17 Ag Lab Jane Roberts 18 Servant (Indoor)
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SylviaInCanada
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16 Dec 2015 20:26 |
IF this is the correct family that I am following, it begs the question of who was Jane's Mother is Mary was a widow back in 1881??????
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SylviaInCanada
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16 Dec 2015 20:28 |
LLanfrothen is in the Festiniog District
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SylviaInCanada
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16 Dec 2015 20:34 |
Catherine ............. one Public Family Tree on ancestry has Jane M ...................
who knows where they get that from :-)
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Catherine
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16 Dec 2015 20:43 |
Yes I saw that tree but no real proof of a middle name?
Anyway, following on from the other Jane that I found this is possibly her in 1901????
Name: Jane Roberts Age in 1901: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanfrothen Search Photos: Search for 'Llanfrothen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen County/Island: Merionethshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Occupation: In School Registration district: Festiniog Sub-registration district: Deudraeth ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Piece: 5256 Folio: 137 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Jones 49 - CM Ministers Wife Jane Roberts 13 - In School
...and the rest of her family:-
Name: William Roberts Age in 1901: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse: Ellen Roberts Gender: Male Where born: Criccieth, Caernarvonshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanfrothen Search Photos: Search for 'Llanfrothen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen County/Island: Merionethshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Occupation: Horse ? Groom Registration district: Festiniog Sub-registration district: Deudraeth ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 9 Piece: 5256 Folio: 147 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William Roberts 41 Ellen Roberts 41 Ellen Roberts 11 Maggie Roberts 8
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SylviaInCanada
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16 Dec 2015 20:55 |
Catherine ..............
that 1901 Census is the same one that I found for the Jane that I was following!
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Catherine
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16 Dec 2015 21:27 |
Oh, yes so it is Sylviain.
I think the marriage certificate is essential though to see who her father is, so that we can see which 1891 is correct.
So many Roberts in the same area best to be certain.
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SylviaInCanada
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16 Dec 2015 21:39 |
well, it is Wales!!!
my own mother-i-l was a Roberts, so I've been there, done that :-D
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Cynthia
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17 Dec 2015 12:59 |
Welcome to the Community boards Ann.
(I'll let Ann know how to find her replies) :-)
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Ann
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18 Dec 2015 13:37 |
SylviaineCanada - this appears to be the one, my grandparents lived in Pistyll Gwyn, Bontuchel. My father was Edward Henry Atkinson and his brother was called George
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