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Hi I hope some kind person will be able to find a marriage for Jane Payne & James Fuller . I can't
Jane Payne was born in Hemel Hempstead about 1796 and died in Wandsworth in1873 . James came from Hatfield Hertfordshire
There first child Rebecca was born in 1833, then came Joseph 1835 & Eliza who was born in St Albans in 1838 . but as I say I can't find any marriage

Thank you

1841? Older daughter Ann?


Name:Jame Fuller
Age:50
Estimated birth year:abt 1791
Gender:Male
Civil Parish:Wandsworth Wimbledon
Hundred:Brixton (Western Division)
County/Island:Surrey
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district:Wandsworth
Sub-registration district:Wandsworth
Neighbors:
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Piece:1069
Book:3
Folio:52
Page Number:9
Household Members:
Name
Age


Jame Fuller 50 Papermaker
Jane Fuller 40
Ann Fuller 15
Rebecca Fuller 8
Joseph Fuller 6
Eliza Fuller 2

Other names removed

Andy

Thank you Andrew that's them. :-) Ann I can't find a birth certificate for her

cant see a marriage for james and jane could he have been married before seeing the age gap of the girls in 1841 census

1851 for ref. Have submitted corrections


Name:Rebecca Tuller
Age:17
Estimated birth year:abt 1834
Relation:Daughter
Father's name:James Tuller
Mother's name:Jane Tuller
Gender:Female
Where born:Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish:Wandsworth
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Town:Wandsworth
County/Island:Surrey
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district:Wandsworth
Sub-registration district:Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel:15
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:85
Piece:1578
Folio:248
Page Number:24
Household Members:
Nam
Age

James Tuller 72
Jane Tuller 55
Rebecca Tuller 17
Joses Tuller 16
Olezer Tuller 12

I did wonder that Malyon , but that would mean Janes married name would be of Jame's wedding banns

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356400?page=0

(didn't above relate here?)

Chris :)

Chris Ho :) Report Edit Delete 28 Nov 2015 06:49

Marriages & Marriage Licences (1538 - 1922)

James Fuller
Jane Beck
St Albans St Peters
marriage register 10 Jun 1833

http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/leisculture/heritage1/hals/indexes/

(Names Online)

I have found a marriage for James & Jane -----Beck--- & Bradbury but no Payne . On Eliza's birth certificate the mothers name is Payne ,

Could this be Jane?


Name:Jane Pain
Gender:Female
Birth Date:14 Jun 1795
Baptism Date:19 Jul 1795
Baptism Place:Hemel Hempstead,Hertford,England
Father: William Pain
Mother:
Jane
FHL Film Number:
91762, 91763

Andy

???


Name:Jane Paine
Gender:Female
Marriage Date:5 Feb 1815
Marriage Place:Ware,Hertford,England
Spouse: Thomas Sarvell or Larvell
FHL Film Number:991326

Andy

(from other 'Thread' Dea had posted 1851 as above here, including William Winton Grand Son - Male 6 1845 - Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Chris :)

(then added below)

Dea Report 29 Nov 2015 08:38

Well, it sems that the marriage above for James Fuller to Jane Beck will be the correct one (not Jane Bradbury who many people have on their trees)...

I followed the grandson William Winton from 1851 census as grandson of James and Jane.

In 1861 he is with his parents James Winton + Ann.


This looks to be the parents' marriage :

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
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Name Ann Beck ****
Registration Year 1844
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Wandsworth
Inferred County London
Volume 4
Page 535
Household Members
Name Age
Caroline Aldridge
Frances Atkinson
Ann Beck
Edward Burridge
Charles Davies
Isaline Pryor
William Taylor
James Winton ****



confirmed pairing here although Ann's surname is misspelled:

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
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Name James Winton
Gender Male
Marriage Date 15 Jul 1844
Marriage Place All Saints,Wandsworth,London,England
FHL Film Number 0599302 IT 1, 307713, 307714, 307715
Household Members
Name Age
Ann Beek
James Winton


As Ann's name is Beck she would probably be the daughter of Jane, either illigitimate or from a previous marriage?

This marriage looks very probable:

William Beck
Jane White
St Albans St Peters
marriage register
2 May 1818



edits (below Birth shared by some Genes Members. 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here under 'Search') if it would help with things!)

Chris :)


Births Mar 1845 (>99%)
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Winton William Wandsworth 4 580

Yes Chris , I did find that . but Eliza's mother is Jane Payne on the GRO certificate. I don't have any other birth certificates for the other children . and as I said I can't find a marriage for Janes Payne & James

I do have the marriage document of James Fuller & Jane Bradbury

I just popped in to say that my day starts at 9.am in 5 mins time so I must away
Sheila

It is of course quite possible that James Fuller and Jane Payne did not marry ..................


common law marriages were just as common then as they are now, especially if one of the parties had been married previously! Divorce was almost impossible for ordinary folk to get until about the 1930s.

Thank you Sylviain You may well be right . I don't think we'll ever know But thankyou all for trying
Sheila