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Hello
I have a MARY BLACKBURN 1815 St Mangos Dumfries
had a son THOMAS BLACKBURN 1943 Thundergarth Dumfries
In 1949 married George Ritchie
Would anyone know if Thomas was born to a single mum or had Mary been married to someone else
Think she also had a son ANDREW 1940
Thanks for your help
Pauline

Assuming you mean 1843 for Thomas, and 1840 for Andrew, I don't see any such births on ScotlandsPeople, Tundergarth (NB - not spelled Thundergarth. And it's St Mungo, not St Mango.).

Not in 1943 and 1940 either, for that matter.

Where did you find the information?

Do you mean Blacklock????

Mary's birth ??:
06/12/1814 BLACKLOCK MARY
JOHN BLACKLOCK/JEAN RITCHIE FR432 (FR432) F
ST MUNGO /DUMFRIES 847/00 0010 0161


Thomas's birth:

26/12/1843 BLACKLOCK THOMAS
/MARY BLACKLOCK FR69 (FR69) M TUNDERGARTH /DUMFRIES 851/00 0020 0029

As it mentions mother's name but no father's name, Yes, it looks as if Mary was unmarried. (Or possibly widowed and not remarried, I suppose - although in that case she wouldn't be the Mary born in 1814).

If you spend a few credits on ScotlandsPeople, you can view the image of the original parish record - though they don't usually give much information.

I don't see the birth of any Andrew Black* in Dumfries-shire1838-45, with a mother named Mary.

Andrew as a servant in 1851?

Andrew Blacklock

in the 1851 Scotland Census
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Name: Andrew Blacklock
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Tundergarth, Dumfries-shire
Parish Number: 841
Civil Parish: Middlebie
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County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Ladywells
Occupation: Farm Servant
ED: 4
Page: 5
Household schedule number: 16
LINE: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_209
Household Members:
Name Age
Helen Carlyle 86
Fanny Carlyle 48
Robert Carlyle 46
John Carlyle 43
Helen Johnstone 20
David Barton 44
Andrew Blacklock 11
Jean Walker 42
Jean Laing 10

Name:Andrew Blacklock

Age:21

Estimated birth year:abt 1840

Relationship:Stepson

Mother's name:Mary Ritchie


Where born:Tundergarth, Dumfriesshire

County:Dumfriesshire

Address:Wallacehall

Occupation:Labourer


George Ritchie 41
Mary Ritchie 45
Jane Ritchie 11
James Ritchie 9
George Ritchie 6
William Ritchie 4
Robert Ritchie 1
Janet Luley 8 Mo
Andrew Blacklock 21
Thomas Blacklock 17

Mary and Thomas in 1851 with her father John Blacklock:

Mary Blacklock

in the 1851 Scotland Census
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Name: Mary Blacklock
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship: Daughter
Father: John Blacklock
Gender: Female
Where born: St Mango, dumfs
Parish Number: 851
Civil Parish: Tundergarth
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County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Crawthat
ED: 1
Page: 5
Household schedule number: 18
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1851_210
Household Members:
Name Age
John Blacklock 78
George Ritchie 32
Mary Blacklock 36
Thomas Blacklock 4
John Ritchie 4
Jane Ritchie 1

So the surname was Blacklock not Blackburn. The children were born in the 1800's not 1900's. Place names were Tundergarth not Thundergarth and St. Mungo not St. Mango.

Now you say that Mary married George Richie in 1849 (actually you said 1949) but on the 1851 census she's still Mary Blacklock even though living in the same household as George.

Edit: They do seem to have married in 1849. Wonder why she was listed as Mary Blacklock on the 51 census?

George Ritchie

in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
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Name: George Ritchie
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 26 Oct 1849
Marriage Place: Tundergarth,Dumfries,Scotland
Spouse: Mary Blacklock
FHL Film Number: 1067971

Thank you for putting me right ..no wonder I was getting nowhere

Re Mary listed as Blacklock after marriage:

In Scottish records, women were often listed under their maiden names even if married.

Even nowadays, a married woman in Scotland can legally use either surname.

County Dumfriesshire
Place Tundergarth
Church name Parish Church
Register type Parish Register
Marriage date 26 Oct 1849
Groom forename George
Groom surname RITCHIE
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname BLACKLOCK
Bride abode Crawthat
Bride parish Tundergarth


Baptism
County Dumfriesshire
Place Tundergarth
Church name Parish Church
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 26 Dec 1843
Birth date 17 Aug 1843
Person forename Thomas
Person sex M
Person abode Crawthat
Mother forename Mary
Mother surname BLACKLOCK
Notes Nat. Son

Chris :)

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(from above)

Andrew in 1841, with mother Mary, presumably her sister Isabella, their father John, and possibly Ritchie niece & nephew, as Mary's mother was a Ritchie.
(One of the 2 young Ritchies is presumably mistranscribed as Jean - unless they're not sisters, in which case it might be correct! - EDIT: One will be the John listed in 1851.)

Andrew Blacklock

in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew Blacklock
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Tundergarth
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Crathats
Parish Number: 851
Household Members:
Name Age
John Blacklock 72
Isabella Blacklock 25
Mary Blacklock 23
Andrew Blacklock 1
Jean Ritchie 2
Jean Ritchie 5

Wonder if Andrew was to another man



Name:Andrew Farish

Gender:Male

Birth Date:20 Nov 1839

Baptism Date:17 May 1840

Baptism Place: Tundergarth, Dumfries, Scotland

Father: Robert Farish

Mother:Mary Blacklock

FHL Film Number:1067971

Reference ID:
- 2:1649QV8

That looks very likely, Gins.

To reiterate what AG says; 25% of my lot are from Scotland and it is common to find long married women listed under their maiden name in the census transcripts.

Jude

Thanks ArgyllGran and Jude for the info re: maiden names in Scotland. I learn something new every day.

Evidently the same thing applies here in the province of Quebec. My friend went to Quebec to visit her sister who was in hospital. She couldn't find her at first until she was told that her sister was registered in her maiden name even though she'd been married many years. It's what they do in Quebec.