Find Ancestors

I am still confused over those two Baptism records........regarding Ruben and Rueben!

Prickles. :-S

PricklyHolly - many thanks for all of the info, need to take it in!

Yes I think it is the same Ruben due to birthplace and occupation.

Some of the Pantons at that time were Iron Moulders and appears left Worcester for Birmingham (and one to Liverpool for a brief time). Fascinating stuff.

Thanks again.

In case you don't have this.......


Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
PANTON Jane Birmingham 6d 85
Turner Frederick Birmingham 6d 85


Lane (Jane on the image) Panton in the Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937

(Lenair is "Turner" on the image)


Name:Lane Panton (Spinster)
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1851
Marriage Date: 29 Oct 1878
Marriage Age: 27
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Frederick Lenair (Bachelor) Agent
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 39
Father: Reuben Panton (Iron Moulder)
Spouse's Father: James Lenair (Clerk)
Witnesses: Thomas Lloyd and Sophia McKain

Jane Panton in the 1871 England Census
Name: Jane Panton
Age: 18
Estimated birth year:abt 1853
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend

Jeremiah Petett 37
Bridget Petett 34
Thomas Petett 13
Edward Petett 10
Eliza Ann Petett 8
Bertha Petett 6
Samuel Petett 4
William Petett 2
Mary J Petett 8 Months
Jane Panton 18
Edwin Ash 19
John Jacus 27
Edward Hemming 22
William Blood 22
John Know 32



Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%)
Brown Bridget Birmingham 6d 61
Pettitt Jeremiah Birmingham 6d 61

Struggling to find Jane in 1861......She is not with her Aunt Bridget.

Her mother's death......

??
Deaths Jun 1858 (>99%)
Panton Ann Birmingham 6d 52

Ah, Ruben appears as Rueben on his daughters baptism record...

Jane Panton in the Birmingham, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Jane Panton
Birth Date: 23 Apr 1852
Baptism Date: 30 May 1852
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Mary, Warwickshire, England
Father: Reuben Panton (Moulder) Constitution Hill
Mother: Ann Panton

Pre 1837, Marriage records won't record the names of the parents.
Ones in 1824 will tell you

The Status of the individuals - spinster, widowed etc
Which Parish they reside in
Whether 'Of full age' (21) or 'With consent of Parents' implying they were a 'Minor'
Whether by Banns or Licence
The names and signatures of the witnesses.

You might be lucky if the witnesses surnames are the same as the bride/groom, but you don't know for certain if they are related or how.

An example can be seen here
http://tiny.cc/mhk66x

I am wondering if the Ruben who married Ann Brown, is not the same Rueben who appears in the 1871 census.

Name: Ruben Panton
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1826 <<<
Baptism Place: "St Andrew", Worcester,Worcester,England
Father: Henrey Panton
Mother: Mary

Reuben Panton in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Reuben Panton
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Jul 1826
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1827 <<<
Baptism Place: "All Saints" ,Worcester,Worcester,England
Father: Henry Panton
Mother: Mary

??

Reuben Panton in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Reuben Panton
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Registration Year: 1875
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 49
Registration district:Highworth
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume:5a
Page:18

Reuben Paton in the 1871 England Census
Name :Reuben Paton
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head Lodger (Head)
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Paton
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Worcester
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Worcester
Sub-registration district: South Worcester

Reuben Paton 44 (Iron Moulder)
Elizabeth Paton 37 Born Leicstershire


Marriages Sep 1870 (>99%)
BREWIN Millicent Grantham 7a 700
BREWIN William Grantham 7a 700
Lawrence Elizabeth Grantham 7a 700
PANTON Reuben Grantham 7a 700
Ropson Elizabeth Grantham 7a 700

The district Grantham spans the boundaries of the counties of Leicestershire and Lincolnshire.

No trace of parents Henry and Mary on any census

1841 census: I can't find Ruben (but he married Ann Brown in 1851). Brother Henry is in Birmingham General Hospital in 1841 census as a patient (occupation Iron Moulder) and is on Ruben's marriage cert.

i cant find them in 1841 census

Thanks Maddie/Malyon

Malyon - thanks, Yes I found Ruben and traced him to Birmingham in the 1851 census and Henry (brother) is in Birmingham too (married).

Think I will need to go to Worcester to find wedding cert and find more info on their parents to trace back further.

Wayne

Henry Panton
mentioned in the record of Joseph Panton
Name Henry Panton
Gender Male
Wife Mary
Son Joseph Panton
Other information in the record of Joseph Panton
from England Births and Christenings
Name Joseph Panton
Gender Male
Christening Date 12 Jan 1834
Christening Place EASTHAM,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name Henry Panton
Mother's Name Mary

Ann Panton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 3 February 1839 ROCHFORD, WORCESTER, ENGLAND
father: Henry Panton
mother: Mary

Reuben Panton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 18 July 1827 All Saints, Worcester, Worcester, England
residence: Worcester, Worcester, England
father: Henry Panton
mother: Mary

Henry Panton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 28 July 1828
christening: 17 August 1828 All Saints, Worcester, Worcester, England
residence: 1828 Worcester, Worcester, England
father: Henry Panton
mother: Mary

Ann Maria Panton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 21 August 1830
christening: 5 September 1830 All Saints, Worcester, Worcester, England
residence: 1830 Worcester, Worcester, England
father: Henry Panton
mother: Mary

from FMP

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) Henry
Last name Panton
Name note Bachelor
Marriage year 1824
Marriage date 25 Oct 1824
Marriage place Worcester
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Stevens
Residence Worcester, Worcester, England
County Worcestershire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

HI,

I am looking to find further information on the following

marriage date: 25/10/1824
place: All Saints, Worcester
Spouse: Mary Stevens
FHL Film No: 394851
Ref ID: p.140

I am looking to find out who Henry's parents were and his age.
Is there any alternative to find this info other than a visit to Worcester Records Office? I live in Birmingham so not that far to travel but thought I'd check here first!

Thanks.