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I saw that yesterday Potty and was wondering if it was Walter. Think this is him in 1939?

1939 Register Transcription (Preview)

Household Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
Walter James (William) Garvan 1894


and his death.



England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) WALTER JAMES
Last name GARVAN
Gender Male
Birth day 27
Birth month 7
Birth year 1895
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1976
District HENDON
County Middlesex
Volume 13
Page 0538

I wonder?

UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1900-1928

Name:Walter James Garvan
Gender:Male
Birth Date:27 Jul 1895
Birth Place:Hampstead London
Service number:J17068
First Service Date:13 Apr 1912
First Ship Served On:Impregnable
Last Service Date:2 Apr 1918
Last Ship Served On:Pembroke I

DOB 27 July 1895

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(just to add, some Garvan surnames on above)

Chris :)

Margee .........


the owner of that tree seems to have got Mabel's birth year from her birth registration, but Frederick's from his death registration


and death registrations are far from accurate in many cases, as we all know :-)

But it also indicates that he hadn't been able to find Frederick Garvan's birth registration ............. as you discovered

Margee, I've sent you a pm. Take care, Ron

I'm afraid not Argyllgran. I don't know who Frederick's father was and I assume it won't be shown on the birth certificate. Presumably, when Frederick''s mother Alice Dorothy Hall then got married in March quarter 1919, Frederick used her husband''s (Walter James Garvan) surname. Frederick''s death record would support that assumption.

And just for the record, presumably this is Walter in 1911:

Walter J Hall
in the 1911 England Census

Name: Walter J Hall
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 69 Canrobert St, Bethnal Green N E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: VAN GUARD
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Registration District Number: 17
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 1420
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hall 42
Emma Hall 39
Walter J Hall 16
Ellen R Hall 12
Edward C Hall 7
Alfred W Hall 4
Amy E A Hall 1

Why, thank you, Ron, it's not very often I'm called wonderful! Well, never, actually.

Incidentally a tree on Ancestry says that Frederick A. was born 1920 but it also shows Mabel born in 1920.

Margee you're wonderful. I'm such an idiot, especially as I said Walter may not have been his father.
Also, of course he wouldn't have been on 1911 census.
Thanks so much.
Ron

Born before marriage so had surname Hall. I'm having problems with FreeBMD now but I saw his birth 1918 Pancras surname Hall and mother's maiden name Hall.

Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
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Garvan Walter J Hall Pancras 1b 167
Hall Alice D Garvan Pancras 1b 167

Edit: Here it is:

Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Hall Frederick A Hall Pancras 1b 95

Of course he wouldn't be on the 1911 census, wasn't born yet.

I have been unable to find Frederick''s birth record. According to his death record in 1939 in Lewes, Sussex he was born in approximately 1919. He appears to be the first child of Walter James Garvan and Alice Dorothy Hall. I have found the birth records of all of his siblings. I believe he was born in Hampstead, London, but later children were born in Pancras or Hendon, London. There is a possibility that Frederick's father was not Walter. I can't find Walter nor Frederick in the 1911 census either.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Ron