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Frances
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7 Nov 2015 10:42 |
Thank you for all that extra mgnv. I think when I enter all the people on my tree the various relationships will become clearer.
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7 Nov 2015 06:03 |
My guess is the census says he was born in America because that was the case.
Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1867 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference BERRY William Laycock ELLIS Emma Grace Hyndburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/32/14
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference 1868 BERRY John Robinson Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/32/53 1870 BERRY Arthur Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/35/21 1872 BERRY Ernest Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/38/8 1873 BERRY George William Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/41/27 1875 BERRY Walter Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/45/50 1879 BERRY Edith Hannah Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/53/93 1881 BERRY Emma Grace Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/58/24 1885 BERRY Harriet Ann Elton Bury ELLIS ELT/35/85 1886 BERRY Annie Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/69/9 1886 BERRY Carrie Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/69/9 1888 BERRY John Walter Holcombe Bury ELLIS HOL/25/5 1890 BERRY Florence May Accrington Preston ELLIS ACC/78/60
Births Sep 1879 (>99%) Watson Harry Stourbridge 6c 166
Between John R & Flora M there are 2 non-Accrington births above. presumably down to:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference BERRY Samuel Kershaw ELLIS Rachel Elton, St.Stephen Bury CE12/1/42
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference 1887 BERRY Annie 0 Accrington Preston ACC/40/93 1888 BERRY Carrie 2 Accrington Preston ACC/43/22
Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ Marriage: 27 Sep 1841 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Robinson Berry - (X), full age, Labourer, Bachelor, Colne Hannah Pollard - (X), full age, Spinster, Crawshaw Groom's Father: William Berry, Farmer Bride's Father: Laycock Pollard, Farmer Witness: Thomas Berry, (X); James Ellis Married by Banns by: Thomas Hayes, Offg Minr Register: Marriages 1841 - 1844, Page 21, Entry 42 Source: LDS Film 1471065
Crawshaw is near Slaidburn - 10km N of Ciltheroe http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/126397
I don't have a sub to see 1851, but in piece 2254 on folio 581 there's a William Berry a=8 pob=America, and on the same page is a Laycock Pollard a=78
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference WATSON Daniel BERRY Hannah Accrington, St James Preston CE6/2/358
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Frances
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6 Nov 2015 14:09 |
I suspect that William went to America as a small baby and, as a child, he didn't realize that he wasn't born there?
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6 Nov 2015 13:38 |
at least we have found him but why census says born USA is a mystery :-)
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6 Nov 2015 13:34 |
Baptism: 14 Oct 1849 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England William Laycock Berry - [Child] of Robinson Berry & Anna Born: 9 Jan 1842 Abode: Crawshaw Occupation: Shoe Maker Baptised by: F E Perrin Register: Baptisms 1843 - 1851, Page 151, Entry 1204 Source: LDS Film 1471024
William Laycock Berry in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Record Image Index-only record Report issue Name: William Laycock Berry Gender: Male Birth Date: 9 Jan 1842 Baptism Date: 14 Oct 1849 Baptism Place: Colne, Lancashire, England Father: Robinson Berry Mother: Anna FHL Film Number: 1471024 Reference ID: item 7 p 151
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Frances
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6 Nov 2015 13:33 |
Maddie you are a star! I was sure my GenoPro tree was correct because, as you have found, Wiliiam.'s Grandfather's name was Laycock
By the way, William's wife is Emma Grace Ellis
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6 Nov 2015 13:15 |
hannah's brother
Name: Lacock Pollard Baptism Date: 19 Oct 1823 Parish: Colne, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Colne' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: Lawcock Pollard Mother: Betty Pollard Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts Reference Number: Drb/2/242
Marriage: 24 Oct 1843 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Laycock Pollard - full age, Cordwainer, Bachelor, Colne Edge Lucy Heap - (X), minor, Spinster, Colne Edge Groom's Father: Laycock Pollard, Farmer Bride's Father: James Heap, Farmer Witness: Henry Armistead; James Ellis Married by Banns by: Wm Messenger, Curate Register: Marriages 1841 - 1844, Page 157, Entry 313 Source: LDS Film 1471065
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6 Nov 2015 13:12 |
Baptism: 17 May 1818 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Hannah Pollard - Daughter of Laycock Pollard & Betty Abode: Whitehouse Occupation: Warper Baptised by: W. W. Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1819, Page 256, Entry 2046 Source: LDS Film 1471024
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6 Nov 2015 13:09 |
Marriage: 27 Sep 1841 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Robinson Berry - (X), full age, Labourer, Bachelor, Colne Hannah Pollard - (X), full age, Spinster, Crawshaw Groom's Father: William Berry, Farmer Bride's Father: Laycock Pollard, Farmer Witness: Thomas Berry, (X); James Ellis Married by Banns by: Thomas Hayes, Offg Minr Register: Marriages 1841 - 1844, Page 21, Entry 42 Source: LDS Film 1471065
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6 Nov 2015 13:06 |
Hannah Berry in the Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Record Image View Add alternate information Report issue Name: Hannah Berry [Hannah Pollard] Gender: Female Age: 36 Birth Year: abt 1820 Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 24 Jul 1856 Parish: Accrington, St James, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Accrington, St James' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: Daniel Watson Spouse Age: 38 Father: Laycock Pollard Spouse Father: Thomas Watson Register Type: Parish Register
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6 Nov 2015 13:01 |
the 2nd marriage of William's mother Daniel Watson mentioned in the record of Daniel Watson and Hannah Berry Name Daniel Watson Birth Date 1818 Age 38 Spouse's Name Hannah Berry --- widow and dressmaker Spouse's Birth Date 1820 Spouse's Age 36 Event Date 24 Jul 1856 Event Place Accrington, Lancashire, England Father's Name Thomas Watson Spouse's Father's Name Laycock Pollard ---- farmer ???
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Frances
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6 Nov 2015 12:59 |
Thank you Ann and Maddie, With all the extra census the family now has many more children than I was aware of! My delay has been caused by going backwads and forwards with what I already have and what you have added. My hope was to get William Laycock,s original parents, who are in one of my old trees as Robinson Berry and Hannah Pollard but I can't find any record of where I got those names. This is going to keep me busy for quite some while yet, trying to understand the Watson connection!
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6 Nov 2015 12:47 |
William Laycock Berry England and Wales Marriage Registration Index Name William Laycock Berry Event Type Marriage Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year 1867 Registration District Haslingden County Lancashire Event Place Haslingden, Lancashire, England Volume 8E Page 208 Line Number 253 William Laycock Berry probably married one of the following people Name Emma Grace Ellis Name Jane Grimshaw Name Thomas Whewell
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6 Nov 2015 12:37 |
William L Berry England and Wales Census, 1881 Name William L Berry Event Type Census Event Date 1881 Event Place Accrington, Lancashire, England Registration District Haslingden Residence Note Cedar St Gender Male Age 38 Marital Status (Original) Married Occupation Joiner & Builder (Employing 3 Men) Relationship to Head of Household Head Birth Year (Estimated) 1843 Birthplace America Page Number 37 Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 4141/45 Affiliate Record Type Household
William L Berry Head M 38 America Emma G Berry Wife F 31 Accrington, Lancashire, England John T Berry Son M 12 Accrington, Lancashire, England Arthur Berry Son M 10 Accrington, Lancashire, England Ernest Berry Son M 9 Accrington, Lancashire, England George W Berry Son M 7 Accrington, Lancashire, England Walter Berry Son M 5 Accrington, Lancashire, England Henry W Berry Son M 3 Worcester, Worcestershire, England
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6 Nov 2015 12:33 |
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William Berry United States Census, 1870 Name William Berry Event Type Census Event Year 1870 Event Place New York, United States Gender Male Age 25 Race White Race (Original) W Birth Year (Estimated) 1844-1845 Birthplace New York Page Number 14
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6 Nov 2015 12:33 |
1901 Name: William L Berry Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Emma Grace Berry Birth Place: USA [New York, United States] Civil Parish: Accrington Search Photos: Search for 'Accrington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
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View image Registration district: Haslingden Sub-registration district: Accrington ED, institution, or vessel: 04 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3856 Folio: 86 Page Number: 37 Household schedule number: 227 Household Members: Name Age William L Berry 58 Emma Grace Berry 53 Arthur Berry 30 Ernest Berry 28 George Wm Berry 26 Walter Berry 24 Harry Watson Berry 22 Edith Hannah Berry 21 Emma Grace Berry 18 Flora May Berry 10
1911 Name: William Laycock Berry Age in 1911: 68 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: United States (resident) Civil Parish: Accrington Search Photos: Search for 'Accrington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 89 Whalley Rd Accrington Lancs Marital Status: Married Occupation: Joiner Registration district: Haslingden Registration District Number: 471 Sub-registration district: Accrington ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Piece: 24774 Household Members: Name Age William Laycock Berry 68 Emma Grace Berry 62 Arthur Berry 40 Walter Berry 35 Edith Berry 30 Emma Berry 27 Florice Berry 20
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Frances
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6 Nov 2015 12:32 |
Hi Ann, the surname is Berry
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6 Nov 2015 12:32 |
Name: William Laycock Berry Age: 18 Estimated birth year: 1843 Relation: Wifes Son (Step Son) Mother's name: Hannah Watson Gender: Male Where born: New York, United States Civil Parish: Old Accrington Town: Accrington County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
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View image Registration district: Haslingden Sub-registration district: Accrington ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 66 Piece: 3062 Folio: 100 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Daniel Watson 45 Hannah Watson 41 William Laycock Berry 18 Sarah Watson 10 Ann Hodgson 14 Betty Holand 64
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6 Nov 2015 12:31 |
is Berry the forename or surname
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Frances
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6 Nov 2015 12:26 |
My research on the Berry family was done about 5 years ago and I don't remember where I found all the info, plus so many of the websites have been much changed since that time. It was probably still possible to get one person details off GenesReunited and that is where I found :-
1861 Berry William 1843 Newyork, America Haslingden, Accrington
Can anybody see the complete entry to match this please?
Many thanks, Frances
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