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I am trying to find out more about my Great Grandfather Robert Williams b c1872
I know he married Miriam Mercy Clapson b1868 do not know when as can not find marriage my Grandfather Robert Edward Williams b 1903 in London where they were living in Southham St Kennington ? Miriam's family came from Sussex but as Robert Williams is such a common name I am struggling to move forward if anyone can help or suggest my next move I would be greatful of the help this is the last branch of my family tree I have to crack and just cant get over this huddle
regard s Peter

Is this your grandfather in 1911 ?

Robert Williams

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: Robert Williams
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kensington, London, England
Civil Parish: Ewell
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County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: Kensington And Chelsea, Workhouse Schools Ewell, Surrey
Occupation: School
Registration district: Epsom
Registration District Number: 31
Sub-registration district: Epsom
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 2966

Also in there:
Lily Williams 7 ............. 'possible' sibling ?

Dea x

Have you got his parent's names from the 1903 birth cert? If so, what was his father's occupation please?

Dea x

Just putting this up while we wait for father's occupation:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, Adair Road, Kensington, London, England

Robert Williams Head Married Male 29 1872 Gas Worker London, Middlesex, England
Mary Williams Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Hellingly, Sussex, England
Helen Williams Daughter - Female 2 1899 - London, Middlesex, England
Frederick Williams Son - Male 0 1901 - London, Middlesex, England

Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription

First name(s) Miriam Mercy
Last name Clapson
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1868
Baptism date 28 Oct 1868
Residence Hellingly, Sussex, England
Place Hellingly
County Sussex
Country England
Father's first name(s) Godfrey
Father's last name Clapson
Mother's first name(s) Harriet
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Carters Corner, Hellingly, Hailsham, Sussex, England


Godfrey Clapson Head - Male 46 1825 - Sussex, England Occ Ag Lab
Harriet Clapson Wife - Female 43 1828 - Sussex, England
Sarah Clapson Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Sussex, England
Elizabeth Clapson Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Sussex, England
Jonathan Clapson Son - Male 8 1863 - Sussex, England
Clara Clapson Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Sussex, England
Miriam Clapson Daughter - Female 3 1868 . Sussex England

She is not showing after 1871 census

Family in 1891
Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Park Road Cottages, Hellingly, Hailsham, Sussex, England


Godfrey Clapson Head Married Male 64 1827 Farm Labourer Lewes, Sussex, England Transcription
Harriet Clapson Wife Married Female 62 1829 - Sussex, England Transcription
Eliz Clapson Daughter Single Female 31 1860 House Keeper Sussex, England Transcription
Jonathan D Clapson Son Single Male 28 1863 Agricultural Labourer Sussex, England Transcription
Amos Clapson Son Single Male 19 1872 Agricultural Labourer Sussex, England Transcription
Alice E Clapson Granddaughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Sussex, England Transcription
Edwd J Clapson Grandson Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Sussex, England Transcription
Annie L Clapson Granddaughter Single Female 2 1889 Sussex

Sussex, Eastbourne Gazette newspaper notices Transcription

Title Mr.
First name(s) Godfrey
Last name Clapson
Role Father of bride
Event year 1891
Event date 30 Mar 1891
Publication year 1891
Publication date 08 Apr 1891
Event type Marriage
Event details Marriage of Mr. Frederick Ellis to Clara Clapson.
Event place Christ Church, Eastbourne, East Sx
Publication title Eastbourne Gazette
Page 5
County Sussex
Country England
Record set Sussex, Eastbourne Gazette newspaper notices
Category Directories & social history
Subcategory Directories & almanacs
Collections from Great Britain
Eastbourne Family History Society


GODFREY
Last name CLAPSON
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1827
Age 80
Death quarter 3
Death year 1907
District HAILSHAM
County Sussex
Volume 2B
Page 54
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Known as Mercy:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tinkers Town Road, Hellingly, Hailsham, Sussex, England

Godfrey Clapson Head Married Male 52 1829 Ag Lab Hellingly, Sussex, England
Harriet Clapson Wife Married Female 52 1829 - Hellingly, Sussex, England
Sarah Clapson Daughter Single Female 25 1856 Dressmaker Hellingly, Susse
Jonathan A Clapson Son Single Male 18 1863 Ag Lab Hellingly, Sussex,
Clara Clapson Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Domestic Servt Hellingly, Sussex,
Mercy Clapson Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Hellingly, Sussex,
Amos Clapson Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Hellingly, Sussex, England
Alice Clapson Grand Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Hellingly, Sussex,

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bralside, Silverdale Road, Eastbourne, Sussex, England

Daniel Bell Head Married Male 65 1826 Living On His Means Travelling Wandsworth, Surrey,
Catherine S Bell Wife Married Female 65 1826 - Temple Hirst, Wales
Daniel O Bell Son Single Male 35 1856 Living On His Means Surrey, England
Robert S Bell Son Single Male 34 1857 Living On His Means Surrey, England
Harriet Lambert Servant Single Female 33 1858 Certificated Nurse Domestic Yarmouth, Norfolk,
Mercy Clapson Servant Single Female 23 1868 Housemaid Domestic Hellingley Sussex,
Frances Mapham Servant Single Female 31 1860 Cook Domestic Heathfield, Sussex

Ahhh 1891 census
Scotland Census Transcription
Bralside, Silverdale Road, Eastbourne, Sussex, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Daniel Bell Head Married Male 65 1826 Living On His Means Travelling Wandsworth, Surrey, England Transcription
Catherine S Bell Wife Married Female 65 1826 - Temple Hirst, Wales Transcription
Daniel O Bell Son Single Male 35 1856 Living On His Means Surrey, England Transcription
Robert S Bell Son Single Male 34 1857 Living On His Means Surrey, England Transcription
Harriet Lambert Servant Single Female 33 1858 Certificated Nurse Domestic Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Transcription
Mercy Clapson Servant Single Female 23 1868 Housemaid Domestic Sussex, England Transcription
Frances Mapham Servant Single Female 31

Above 1901 (at 08:20) looks good:

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Hellen Louisa Williams
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1898
Baptism Place: St Andrew and St Phillip, Kensall-Green, Middlesex, England
Father: Robert Williams
Mother: Marion Mercy
FHL Film Number: 2214872

Name: Frederick Arthur Williams
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 May 1901
Baptism Place: St. Andrew and St. Phillip, Kensall-Green, Middlesex, England
Father: Robert Williams
Mother: Mercy
FHL Film Number: 2214872
Reference ID: 195

Robert Williams my Great Grandfather was listed as a Gas Worker on my Grandfather Robert Edwards Birth record

That seems to confirm the 1901 then which AustinQ posted.

Dea x

Hoping to find Robert G Grandfater Birth and Marriage but I am struggling but all the above looks good thankyou I also know that by the 1920's the family where living in Tunbridge Wells Kent

Kent & Sussex Courier - Friday 07 March 1924

WILLIAMS- MARTIN. March 1st at Holy Trinity Church Eridge, Stoker Frederick Arthur Williams, eldest son of Mr & Mrs Williams of Adam's Well Crossing, Langton, to Violet Bertha Martin, 55 Rochdale Road, Tunbridge Wells.
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Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser - Friday 01 February 1935

ERIDGE
Late Mr. R Williams, the funeral took place at Holy Trinity on Monday of Mr Robert Williams of Adam's Well. He was 62 years of age and had for many years worked as a platelayer on the line. Fellow workers of the Southern Railway acted as bearers...

Floral tributes were sent by Widow and Family:- Uncle Mick and Alice, Mr and Mrs Gearing; the Engineering department Southern Railway; National Union of Railwaymen
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Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser - Friday 07 May 1948

DEATHS:
WILLIAMS- Mercy Miriam, aged 80 years, passed peacefully away on April 29th at the home of her youngest son, Bill of 'Cheeriome' , 8 Poynters Road, Dunstable, Bedfordshire. Widow of the late Robert Williams of Adam's Well Crossing, Langton Green. Sadly missed by her sons and daughters.
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Youngest son 'Bill' was William Godfrey Williams, who married Phylis Adelaide Gearing in 1935- several possible children- have you tried contacting them? They might have more information.

First name(s) PHYLLIS ADELAIDE
Last name WILLIAMS
Gender Female
Birth 08/ 01/ 1913
Death quarter 1
Death year 2001
District LUTON
District number 3151 Register number B61F
Entry number 273

Not helpful to finding his parents, but might be of interest- he joined the railway (at Tunbridge Wells) in 1913:

Britain, Trade Union membership registers Transcription

First name(s) Robert
Last name Williams
Birth year 1872
Admission year 1913
Death year 1935
Age 41
Occupation/grade Platelayer
Trade Railway workers
Union name National Union of Railwaymen
Union branch Tunbridge Wells
Union branch as transcribed Tunbridge Wells
County Kent
Archive reference MSS.127/NU/OR/2/34
Folio or page 94
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Also worth noting that a memoriam notice in the paper gives his name as Robert Edward:

Kent & Sussex Courier - Friday 24 January 1936
WILLIAMS- In ever loving memory of our dear father Robert Edward (Bob) Williams, who passed away January 22nd 1935. From his youngest son and only daughter (Dunstable). Always in our thoughts.
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Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser - Friday 22 January 1937
In Loving Memory of dear Dad Robert (Bob) Williams who passed away January 22nd 1935. ' At Rest' from Wife and Family
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That is very intresting thankyou Austin my Grandfather was also Robert Edward so he may have been given my Great Grandfathers two Christian names my Grandfather apparently died in 1957 a few weeks after a car crash in the Tunbridge wells area thankyou for yours and everyones help I have been looking a while but just can not find my Great Grandparents marriage or birth records which may lead me to my Great Grandfathers parents but With these new bits of info and advise I may just crack the Williams line of my family

Just for reference: - It may have been a mistake, but your opening post says your Grandfather was Robert Edward- I think this may be the other way round:

Death:
name(s) EDWARD R WILLIAMS
Gender Male
Birth year 1903
Age 54
Death quarter 3
Death year 1957
District TONBRIDGE
County Kent
Volume 5B Page 758
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Edward Robert Williams
Probate Date: 26 Aug 1957
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 17 May 1957
Death Place: Tunbridge Wells

Williams, Edward Robert, of Adamswell Crossing, Langton Green, Tunbridge Wells died 17th May 1957 at the Kent and Sussex Hospital, Tunbridge Wells. Administration London 26 August to Florence Alice Williams, widow.
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Birth:
name(s) EDWARD ROBERT WILLIAMS
Birth year 1903
Birth quarter 2
District KENSINGTON
County London
Volume 1A Page 151

Ahhhh got a bit Confused.com if only they had called Fred HaHa

This could be mention of your Grandfather :

Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser - Friday 16 March 1923

Furious Driving at Mount Pleasant-
Edward Williams was summoned for riding a bicycle furiously so as to endanger the lives and limbs of passengers at Mount Pleasant Road on March 5th. He was also summoned for riding without a light at the same place and time.

Defendant pleaded guilty to both summonses... Defendant... had been employed on the railway as a platelayer, but was now out of work. He was20 years of age.

The Chief Constable said that the defendant came from a respectable family living at Langton, and had never been summoned before... Fined 7s 6d

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Kent & Sussex Courier - Friday 14 November 1924

Eddward Williams of Adamswell Crossing, Frant was summoned for purchasing a rifle from James Joseph Miles without holding a firearms license on October 23rd.
Defendant stated that he had a gun license and thought that would cover the rifle. He was fined 5s.

Any sign of the family in 1911,I can't seem to find any of them.
Robert Williams 1872 seems to have a varied worklife,1898 he was down as a baker.

Maryb.