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31 Aug 2015 20:03 |
Marjorie was born 1925 Hackney to parents Alfred and Maud Beatrice. Alfred and Maud had numerous children who I have been able to find living with them on different occassions by checking the voter registrations for the Hackney and Tottenham areas 1949-62 but Marjorie and her brother Henry J(1923) never show up. Nothing stands out in freebmd for likely marriages or deaths. Passenger lists don't show anything either. Any ideas where else to look?
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GlitterBaby
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31 Aug 2015 20:11 |
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Marjorie not Marion
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31 Aug 2015 20:27 |
This one's an English typist destination, 96 St Margarets Rd, Hanwell W7. Her permanant place of residence is England
Name: Marjorie Bayliss Birth Date: abt 1926 Age: 24 Port of Departure: Quebec, Canada Arrival Date: 5 Oct 1950 Port of Arrival: London, England Ship Name: Scythia Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd Official Number: 143730
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31 Aug 2015 20:35 |
Have you followed through with this marriage? She might have volunteered for war work away from home.
Name: Marjorie Bayliss Spouse Leonard Gilbert Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1944 Registration district: Kidderminster Inferred County: Worcestershire Volume Number: 6c Page Number: 231
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31 Aug 2015 20:45 |
Name: Henry J Bayliss Mother's Maiden Surname: Stinton Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 720
double indexed as Name: Henry J Edmonds-bayliss Mother's Maiden Surname: Stinton Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 720
So is Marjorie
Name: Marjorie Bayliss Mother's Maiden Surname: Stinton Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: Greater London Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 702
Name: Marjorie Edmonds-bayliss Mother's Maiden Surname: Stinton Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: Greater London Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 702
Are the other children the same, or might Majorie and Henry have been conceived out side of the marriage
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31 Aug 2015 20:50 |
Ah - a number (all?) of them were
Birth, Marriage & Death, Name: Henry J Edmonds-bayliss Birth: Dec 1923 - Hackney, London England & Wales, Birth Index, Name: Arthur R Edmonds-bayliss Birth: Mar 1921 - Hackney, London England & Wales, Birth Index, 1 Name: Sidney W Edmonds-bayliss Birth: Mar 1921 - Hackney, London England & Wales, Marriage Index, Name: Gladys M Edmonds-bayliss 1958, Wood Green
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31 Aug 2015 22:05 |
No idea why I put Marion but now corrected
I saw the typist Marjorie and if that is her then if she married it could be anywhere. The Bayliss name is not uncommon around England and there are plenty of Marjories and Henry J to chose from. The Edmonds-Bayliss name goes back to a Sarah Edmonds who had an illegitimate child and when Sarah married Bayliss the child took the name Edmonds-Bayliss and the rest is history.
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31 Aug 2015 22:45 |
Maud and Alfred don't appear to have been married at all - at least I can't see any record of it. I can't see Maud in 1911, either.
Births Sep 1884 (>99%) Stinton Maud Beattie Hackney 1b 546
Maud Stinton in the 1891 England Census Name: Maud Stinton Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1885 Relation: Daughter Father's name: George Stinton Mother's name: Ann Stinton Gender: Female Where born: Hackney Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: London Country: England :Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub registration district: Bethnal Green North ED, institution, or vessel: 10a Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 258 Folio: 58 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age George Stinton 35 - Ealing Ann Stinton 36 - Essex Maud Stinton 6 Rose Stinton 5 - Bethnal Green Flora Stinton 3 - Bethnal Green Ann Stinton 2 - Bethnal Green George Stinton 1 - Bethnal Green Henry Stinton 3 1/12 - Bethnal Green
Looks like the same family in 1901, though mother's name's different, also father's birthplace:
Maud Stinton in the 1901 England Census Name: Maud Stinton Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: George Stinton Mother: Eliza Stinton Birth Place: Hackney, London, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green North ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 283 Folio: 75 Page Number: 40 Household schedule number: 229 Household Members: Name Age George Stinton 46 - Norwood, surrey Eliza Stinton 47 - Essex Maud Stinton 18 Florence Stinton 14 - Bethnal Green Annie Stinton 13 - Bethnal Green Henry Stinton 10 - Bethnal Grreen Ethel Stinton 5 - Bethnal Green
Ethel Stinton in the 1911 England Census Name: Ethel Stinton Age in 1911: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Bethnal Green County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 19 Wadeson Street, Bethnal Green Marital Status: Single Occupation: BOX MAKING WOOD Registration district: Bethnal Green Registration District Number: 17 Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green North East ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Piece: 1413 Household Members: Name Age George Stinton 50 - Ealing (same as 1891) Eliza Stinton 50 - Coggeshall, Essex Henry Stinton 20 - London Ethel Stinton 17 - London
George & Eliza / Ann married 30 years, 7 children, 6 living, 1 died.
Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%) STINTON George 1 Bethnal Green 1c
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31 Aug 2015 22:49 |
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Henry J Bayliss in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Henry J Bayliss Birth Date: abt 1924 Date of Registration: Jun 1924 Age at Death: 0 Registration district: Bethnal Green Inferred County: Volume: 1c Page: 116
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31 Aug 2015 23:51 |
They married 30 Jan 1910 Hackney St Michael and All Angels
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1 Sep 2015 00:43 |
I saw the 1924 death of Henry J and puzzeled over it. Henry birth registered Hackney as are all the children both younger and older so why go to a different district to register a death?
1911 Alfred, Maud and daughter Eva living in St Luke London
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ArgyllGran
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1 Sep 2015 09:19 |
Oh yes, thanks, Ed, I see the marriage now. Looking on FreeBMD, the two names don't come up together, and also she's listed as Beatrice Maud, not Maud Beatrice.
Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%) Sears Ethel Hackney 1b 640 Stinton Beatrice Maud Hackney 1b 640 Tribence Henry Amos Hackney 1b 640
Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%) BAYLISS Alfred Edmonds Hackney 1b 64[09]
Re Hackney or Bethnal Green, in 1901 some areas changed from one registration district to the other . ukbmd says:
Table 2: Boundary Changes affecting Bethnal Green Registration District (a) Lost part of the parish of Bethnal Green (which became part of the parish of Hackney on 1.4.1901) to Hackney registration district. (b) Gained part of the parish of Bethnal Green (which until 1.4.1901 formed part of the parish of Hackney) from Hackney registration district.
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/bethnal%20green.html
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1 Sep 2015 09:27 |
Just for background info:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1343474
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ArgyllGran
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1 Sep 2015 12:33 |
I wish I'd remembered I'd already looked up a lot of that info, MC!
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