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1920 40,Colwyn street
Henry Smith and William Charles Roast.

Maryb.

Thanks Mary for that. If that is the correct Charles, then they are cousins.

Just need proof of marriage now, to confirm everything.

Any ideas as to find this marriage - I am struggling to find it!


Gritty, as for the bigamy by George Belcher, thanks for the info from his army records, but do they state who the 'other woman' was? Was his marriage to Clara the bigamous one, or the other marriage. Were there any children by this marriage I wonder?

Also Gritty, anything for Colwyn Street on electoral registrs?

Marcus

Right what about this.
Clara 1890 daughter of Thomas 1860
Thomas had a brother henry 1861
1911 Henry and family at18,Queen Street same address as on army record for George Belcher.

Henry and Thomas had sister Florence Priscilla Whittington @ 1866 she married in 1883 to William John SMITH born 1860 Ludlow.
they had CHARLIE/CHARLES Smith 1886 Abingdon.

Charles is at home with parents in Warwickshire 1891/1901 but I can't find him 1911.

Could this be the same Charles Smith who Clara was with??

Maryb

I cannot read !! Colwyn STREET is what it says on the birth cert...... not Colwyn Court.

My mistake. Sorry.

Mother registered the birth and Charles senior was described as a Pedlar.

I forgot to mention that the childs full name was Charles Ernest Smith.

Marcus

In 1921 I see listings for

Colwyn Place Lambeth
Colwyn Street Lambeth
Hercules Road Lambeth

I don't see Colwyn Court.

1920 names for Colwyn Place, Lambeth
1. Annie Wiggins
Joseph Martin Wiggins
2. Sophia Holder
3. Emily Kerr
Peter Kerr
4. Walter Avery
Alice Bond

Thanks for everything so far...!! Anything on Charles Smith senior?

Interesting to hear about George Belcher.

Can anyone check to see who was living at the address - Colwyn Court, Hercules Road, Lambeth. Do records exist such as electoral registers etc.. ?

Marcus

looks like that is the correct George and Ellen, and as I said, NOT the George who fathered the child with Clara ..............


this is Fred* Slatter with wife Martha in 1911 ......

Name: Frederick Slatter
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Abingdon
Civil Parish: Abingdon
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County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address: Court-18, 8 Ock Street, Abingdon
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gardener
Registration district: Abingdon
Registration District Number: 117
Sub-registration district: Abingdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 254
Piece: 6459

Frederick Slatter 45
Martha Slatter 49
Edith Slatter 7

married 10 years according to the image

George Belcher and Ellen Clack might have been the ones who married in 1900, and in that case this might be them ...................

1901 Census

Name: George Belcher
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ellen Belcher
Birth Place: Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Coxwell
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Ecclesiastical parish: Great Coxwell St Giles
Town: Great Coxwell
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Faringdon
Sub-registration district: Shrivenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Piece: 1127
Folio: 80
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 102

George Belcher 26
Ellen Belcher 27
William Belcher 1


They are still together in 1911 ., so apparently NOT the George Belcher who "married" Clara Whittington.

this could be his first marriage

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
BELCHER George Abingdon 2c 660 Scan available - click to view
Clack Ellen Abingdon 2c 660 Scan available - click to view
Slatter Frederick Samuel Abingdon 2c 660 Scan available - click to view
Viner Martha Abingdon 2c 660

City Police Station, Oxford
5th December 1928

Re: George Belcher

I beg to inform you that the above man is committed to take his trial at the next Oxfordshire Assizes upon a charge of bigamy.

He states he joined the RASC about 12 years ago and served in the Transport (Horse) Section as a driver.

During his army service he was transferred to Appleton on agricultural work, I should be glad if you could inform me that date he was posted to Appleton, and the particulars of his army record, for the information of the Judge.
Yours Faithfully,
George Webb
Chief Inspector
for Chief Constable.

OOoh! George was wanted on a bigamy charge according to his army records!

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name:George Belcher
GenderMale
Birth Date:abt 1882
Enlistment Age:33
Marriage Date:12 Oct 1907
Marriage Place:St Helen Church Abingdon
Document Year:1915
Residence Place:
18 Queen St, Abingdon
Regimental Number:330594
Regiment Name:RE Road Con
Number of Images:4
Form Title:Short Service Attestation
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Family Members:
Name
Relation to Soldier


George Belcher Self (Head)
Clara Whittington Spouse
Phylis Belcher Child Born 1st Jun 1909 (should be 1908)
Thomas George Belcher Child 21st Mar 1910 (should be 1912)

Andy

Humm. Well this looks like could be George


Name: George Belcher
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Dec 1958
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Abingdon
Inferred County: Berkshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 11

1911 for ref


Name:George Belcher
Age in 1911:29
Estimated birth year:abt 1882
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish:Abingdon
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County/Island:Berkshire
Country:England
Street address:22 Queen Street, Abingdon
Marital Status:Married
Years Married:3
Estimated Marriage Year:1908
Occupation:Roadman
Registration district:Abingdon
Registration District Number:117
Sub-registration district:Abingdon
ED, institution, or vessel:10
Household schedule number:201
Piece:6466
Household Members:
Name
Age

George Belcher 29
Clara Belcher 21



Andy

According to the 1911 census they were married 3 years and have one child still alive. But the child isn't listed with them

Name: Clara Belcher
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Abingdon
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County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address: 22 Queen Street, Abingdon
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Sewing Machinist
Registration district: Abingdon
Registration District Number: 117
Sub-registration district: Abingdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 201
Piece: 6466
Household Members:
Name Age
George Belcher 29
Clara Belcher 21

I am looking for the marriage - if there is one - to Charles Smith (birth unknown at present !).

Clara & Charles had a son b 1920 - also called Charles Smith in Lambeth. On his birth cert it states his father as Charles Smith and his mother as 'Clara Smith, Late Belcher, Formerly Whittington.'

Living in a court just off Hercules Road, Lambeth, London, 1920.

Clara married George Belcher (b. 1890) in Abingdon Reg District, 1908. They had a son, b 1912 in Abingdon. So the previous names on Charles' birth cert are correct in that respect.

I am unsure when George Belcher died or if they ever divorced?

I would like to trace family of Charles Smith senior!!

Any clues / help / information would be most welcome.

Marcus