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21 Aug 2015 21:19 |
Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------- MORRIS William Shoreditch 1c 256 PEGRAM Eliza Amelia Shoreditch 1c 256
http://www.curiousfox.com/vill100/Middlesex51521_1.html
(above from google)
1861 (Find My Past) John ... MacAuliffe Head Married Male 30 1831 Shoemaker Ireland Ann MacAuliffe Wife Married Female 30 1831 - Ireland Michael MacAuliffe Son - Male 9 1852 - Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England Catherine MacAuliffe Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England John MacAuliffe Son - Male 2 1859 - Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England Patrick MacAuliffe Son - Male 0 1861 - Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England House number 5 Street New Court Parish St Boltolph Bishopsgate County London, Middlesex Municipal ward Bishopsgate Registration district East London Enumeration district 16 Archive reference RG09 Piece number 212 Folio number 120 Page number 66
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(5 more possible Births, Raddon after 1911)
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21 Aug 2015 21:06 |
Thank you so much to you all. This now makes sense. It was a 'family tale' that John Sherman born 1885 changed his name from something like Sheridan when he was in the merchant service. So he was born Sheringham, joined the Merchant, jumped ship apparently, changed his name, enlisted as Sherman and married as a Sherman. So all of his brothers and sisters were still Sheringham. At least we now know what his original name was. Was this legal? Very interesting. I now need to blow this out. I still don't know where Irish comes from unless his mother Catherine was from an Irish background. This is reading like a book now! Lesley
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21 Aug 2015 20:18 |
William Sheringham BuriedOn:29 May 1935 Recorded at: Manor Park Cemetery (Newham) Date of death 23 May 1935
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch For a few £££ you can purchase credits to view the register
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21 Aug 2015 20:15 |
this is the only death showing, but well after 1919! Perhaps John didn't approve of his father's relationship?
Name: William Sheringham Birth Date: abt 1854 Date of Registration: Jun 1935 Age at Death: 81 Registration district: Shoreditch Inferred County: London Volume: 1c Page: 74
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21 Aug 2015 20:13 |
Ancestry links William Sherringham to this marriage, to Catherine
Name: William Sheringham Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Age: 21 Spouse: Catherine McAuliff Spouse Age: 19 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Aug 1873 Parish: St James, Shoreditch Borough: Hackney Father Name: Alfred Sheringham Spouse Father: John Mcauliff Register Type: Parish Register
He and his father were Costamongers, Catherine and her father, shoemakers. William's address4 Windsor St, Bishopsgate. Catherine's 21 Catherine Wheel Alley
Witnesses J McAuliff, Ann McAuliff,
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21 Aug 2015 20:07 |
It looks as if Catherine snr died
Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%) Sherringham Catherine 40 Whitechapel 1c 170
William re-married or co-habited
Name: William Sheringham Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Eliza Sheringham Birth Place: Spitalfields, London, England Civil Parish: Spitalfields Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 7 Puma Court Occupation: - Warehouse man Registration district: Whitechapel Sub-registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 04 Piece: 297 Folio: 103 Page Number: 49 Household schedule number: 273 Household Members: Name Age William Sheringham 46 Eliza Sheringham 35 William Morris 11 - Stepson George Morris 5 - Stepson Harry Fulda 18 - lodger
1911 Name: William Sheringham Age in 1911: 57 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Spitalfields Civil Parish: Spitalfields County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 7 Ashford House, Puma Court, Spitalfields E <<<<<< Marital Status: Married Occupation: COKERNUT PORTER, Fruit market <<<<<< Registration district: Whitechapel Registration District Number: 18 Sub-registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Piece: 1455 Household Members: Name Age William Sheringham 57 Eliza Sheringham 46 Albert Sheringham 9 James Sheringham 8 Eliza Sheringham 5
Children all born Spitalfields. Says he's been married 10 years with 4 children born alive from this 'marriage' one of whom has died
the crean nut opener from Catherines MC must have been Coconut Porter ...
Added -- marriage, Only one R Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%) Morris Eliza Amelia Whitechapel 1c 465 Sheringham William Whitechapel 1c 465
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21 Aug 2015 19:49 |
1901
Catharine Sheringham 22 Sarah Sheringham 20 - sister Alfred Sheringham 18 - brother John Sheringham 16 - brother Alexander Sheringham 13 - brother
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21 Aug 2015 19:47 |
1891
Name: Katie Sherringham Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Sherringham Mother's name: Catherine Sherringham Gender: Female Where born: Spitalfields, London, England Civil Parish: Christchurch Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Whitechapel Sub registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 273 Folio: 76 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age William Sherringham 36 - 1855 Spitalfields, London, England Catherine Sherringham 36 - 1855 Bishopsgate, London, England Ann Sherringham 16 - 1875 - Spitalfields William Sherringham 14 - 1877 - Spitalfields, London, England Katie Sherringham 12 Johnny Sherringham 10 - 1881 Spitalfields, London, England Alfred Sherringham 8 - 1883 Spitalfields, London, England Alexander Sherringham 6 - 1885 Spitalfields, London, England Ada Sherringham 4 - 1887 Spitalfields, London, England Sarah Sherringham 2 - 1889 Spitalfields, London, England
The address is the same as the MC. William is listed as a self employed General Dealer
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21 Aug 2015 19:46 |
If this is the correct family, he either lied about both his name and age or else there is a mix up somewhere.
1891
Name: Johnny Sherringham
Age:10 Estimated birth year:abt 1881
Relation:Son
Father's name:William Sherringham Mother's name:Catherine Sherringham
Where born:Spitalfields, London, England
Civil Parish:Christchurch
William Sherringham 36 - general dealer - Spitalfields, London Catherine Sherringham 36 Ann Sherringham 16 William Sherringham 14 Katie Sherringham 12 - Spitalfields, London Johnny Sherringham 10 - Spitalfields, London Alfred Sherringham 8 Alexander Sherringham 6 Ada Sherringham 4 Sarah Sherringham 2
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21 Aug 2015 19:37 |
Catherine's marriage
Name: Catherine Sherringham Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Age: 22 Spouse: Walter Raddon Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 7 Apr 1901 Parish: Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: William Sherringham - looks like crean nut opener :-S Spouse Father: Thomas Raddon Register Type: Parish Register
Brides address 7 Ashford House, Puma? Court Witnesses John Samworth and M Samworth
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21 Aug 2015 19:28 |
Just wondering if the is the sister's marriage ( not Sherman though )
Marriages Jun 1901 GUNNER George Whitechapel 1c 451 PHILLIPS Florence Beatrice Whitechapel 1c 451 Raddon Walter Whitechapel 1c 451 Sherringham Catherine Whitechapel 1c 451
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21 Aug 2015 19:14 |
Chris you have just made me very happy. I was stumped. I never thought of Raddon. This gives me so much more to go on now. Thank you so much. Lesley
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21 Aug 2015 19:04 |
1911 (Find My Past) Walter C Raddon Head Married Male Tonnage Checker 30 1881 Islington Middlesex Catherine Raddon Wife Married Female - 32 1879 Spitalfields Walter C Raddon Son - Male - 10 1901 Islington Fred W Raddon Son - Male - 8 1903 Tottenham Ivy G Raddon Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Edmonton Address 2 Sunnyside Road E Lower Edmonton Parish Edmonton County Middlesex Census reference RG14 PN7367 RG78 PN357 RD132 SD5 ED17 SN329 (says Married 11yrs, 4 children born, 3 living, 1 died)
(above was given as address for Kate)
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21 Aug 2015 18:37 |
Doh ...
Thanks Lesley
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Lesley1112
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21 Aug 2015 18:33 |
Hi. John Sherman put his Sister as next of kin on his enlistment papers in 1914. He didn't marry Lawrie Pyrke until 1919. Lesley
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21 Aug 2015 18:31 |
Address on Discharge as, 103 Holly Street, Dalston Lane, looks crossed through perhaps, then, 3, Pleasant Place, Essex Road, Islington.
(if anything on Electoral!)
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http://www.londontown.com/LondonStreets/holly_street_bb7.html/
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21 Aug 2015 18:29 |
Lawrie Beatrice Sherman died 1975 so why would he put his sister as next of kin ? Did they split up?
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21 Aug 2015 18:25 |
Thanks Maddie I have found his Army History already. This is why I'm wondering now if he was born in Ireland or Spitalfields! Very frustrating.
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Lesley1112
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21 Aug 2015 18:03 |
Thanks Mike. I will look into this. Lesley
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21 Aug 2015 17:48 |
A tree on ancestry has this as his birth
Name: John Sherman
Registration Year:1883 Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:West Ham
Inferred County:Essex
Volume:4a Page:240 ----------------------------
and family as Spouse Lawrie Beatrice Pyrke1893 – 1975
child Lily M Sherman1927 – 2003
Make of this as you will
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