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The Jarrow Catholic Church Cluster is comprised of St. Bede's, St. Joseph's, St. Mary's and St. Matthew's churches, all of which are located in the Jarrow area of South Tyneside.

Jude

I strongly suspect that the mother's surname of "Grimes" in the above baptism is a corruption of Graham.

More detail on the parent's marriage above, this from South Tyneside Registrar:

John KANE married Susannah GRAHAM on 22 Jan 1884
Register: R 24
Entry: 49

So they married a few months ahead of Mark's birth.

Jennifer, it seems he may simply have decided to use his mother's maiden name.

Did his parents split up perhaps and he decided to take her maiden name?

I am sure that baptism is correct so it ties down exactly when he was born. There is only one birth for Mark Graham that fits in Berwick - not quite the correct area though. And anyway he surely must have been registered as Kane

Kucinta...Unfortunately I can't find the c.1884 marriage in the Northumberland and Durham marriages.....if that baptism is correct perhaps it was a Catholic marriage?

Jennifer has the marriage in her tree as 22 January 1884 at St Bede's (same place as the baptism) but as you say, they declare 22 years in 1911 which places it as 1889! They obviously couldn't count very well because it was definitely Q1 1884!!

Thank you so much. I know about William but not the other siblings and their families.want to try and find out why Mark changed his name maybe his mother was married before or not as he was registered as kane. Strange ?

How about this baptism

Marcus Kane
Birth date 26 March 1884
Baptism 9th April 1884
St bede's jarrow durham

Father Joanna's Kane
Mother susannah grimes Kane

Can't copy and paste on the pad! England select christenings..now on desktop

Name: Marcus Kane
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 Mar 1884
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1884
Baptism Place: St Bede's, Jarrow, Durham, England
Father: Joannis Kane
Mother: Susannah Grimes Kane
FHL Film Number: 2046480

Jude

Jennifer....I guess this is yours so you will already have the info.posted above

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.dur.general/15202.1/mb.ashx

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Pte. William Kane 27th Battalion (Tyneside Irish) Northumberland Fusiliers (d.28th Apr 1917)


Courtesy of Vin Mullen ....Wartime Memories Project


William Kane was serving with 27th Battalion (Tyneside Irish) Northumberland Fusiliers when he died aged 22 on 28th April 1917. He had formerly served in the West Yorks Regiment, having enlisted in Jarrow. He was the son of John and Susan Kane of Jarrow, on the 1911 census he is recorded as William Kane age 16 Apprentice Rivetter in Shipyard is with his parents John and Susannah Kane and family at 10 Alfred Street, Jarrow .
William is remembered on the Arras Memorial and is commemorated on the Palmer Cenotaph (west face) Jarrow.

http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=7779#listlink

Just wondering if either of these births is him.
An Irish accent can play havoc!


Births Mar 1884
Coyne Mark - S. Shields 10a 771

Births Jun 1884
Coyne Mark - S. Shields 10a 853

how do I find out if this was the case

Changed his name to Graham ?

Maybe he was Graham to begin with ... it was his mother's maiden name so maybe he was illegitimate

Mark was born 1884 Jarrow He was a Carpenter. He Married Margaret Ramshaw 1905 in north shields .Mark changed his Surname to Graham.
This looks like the Family. I am much obliged Thank you all.

1911 census gives birthplaces for John and Susan:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

10 Alfred St Jarrow, Jarrow, Durham, England

John Kane Head Married Male Blastfurnce Labourer 55 1856 Londonderry Resident
Susannah Kane Wife Married Female - 56 1855 Tyrone Resident
Annie Kane Daughter Single Female - 20 1891 Durham Jarrow
John Kane Son Single Male General Labourer 18 1893 Durham Jarrow
William Kane Son Single Male Apprentice Rivetter 16 1895 Durham Jarrow
Joseph Kane Son - Male No Occupation Yet 14 1897 Durham Jarrow
Margaret Kane Granddaughter - Female - 2 1909 Durham Jarrow

8 children born to the marriage, 6 living and 2 deceased at time of census 1911.

They also state they have been married for 22 years?

This seems to be the family in 1891 under a variant spelling:

Name: Mark Cain
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Cain
Mother's name: Susan Cain
Gender: Male
Where born: Jarrow, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: Jarrow Grange
Town: Jarrow
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Household Members:

John Cain 38 c1853 Ireland labourer in ship yard
Susan Cain 37 c1854 Ireland
Mark Cain 7 c1884 Jarrow, Durham, England
Ann Cain 3/12 c1891 Jarrow, Durham, England

Looks like Mark was born pretty close to the wedding if the promising marriage of John to Susannah Graham is correct.

We can definitely eliminate the 1875 marriage as that John Kane married Amelia Lamb:

First name(s) JOHN
Last name KANE
Marriage year 1875
Marriage day 16
Marriage month May
Place SOUTH SHIELDS
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name Kane
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Amelia
Bride's last name Lamb
Bride's parish -
Description South Shields, St. Hilda
County Durham
Country England
Record set Northumberland and Durham Marriages

Unfortunately I can't find the c.1884 marriage in the Northumberland and Durham marriages.

not sure about that marriage nearly 9 years before first child born 1884

There is also this marriage


Marriages Jun 1875

GREATHEAD Susan S. Shields 10a 974
ILEY William S. Shields 10a 974
Kane John S. Shields 10a 974
LAMB Amelia S. Shields 10a 974

Can't see a birth for Mark in Durham c1884

this could be john and susan's marriage


John Kane
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name John Kane
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1884
Registration District South Shields
County Durham
Event Place South Shields, Durham, England
Volume 10A
Page 860
Line Number 366

John Kane probably married one of the following people
Name Mary Ann Bell
Name Susannah Graham
Name John Nevin

Or this one ?

Name:
Mark Kane

Birth Date:
5 Nov 1909

Date of Registration:
Sep 1980

Age at Death:
70

Registration district:
South Shields

This family?
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
36, Nixon Street, Jarrow, South Shields, Durham, England
John Kane Head Married Male 44 1857 Labourer Ship Yd Ireland
Susan Kane Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Ireland
Mark Kane Son Single Male 17 1884 Apprentice Carpenter Jarrow, Durham, England
James Kane Son Single Male 12 1889 - Jarrow, Durham, England
Annie Kane Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Jarrow, Durham, England
John Kane Son Single Male 8 1893 - Jarrow, Durham, England
William Kane Son Single Male 6 1895 - Jarrow, Durham, England
Joseph Kane Son Single Male 4 1897 - Jarrow, Durham, England