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Member Since: March 2015 Posts: 13 Send Message	0805hels	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:25
Member Since: March 2015 Posts: 13 Send Message	I'm having difficultly learning who Charles George Waters parents were. He was probably born Newhaven 1863. So far I know he married Emily Towner in 1887 where he moved to Ashford Road in Eastbourne by the 1891 census. Before that I cannot find him on any census, but have a parish record that says his parents are Henry Thomas Waters and Mary Ann. Earlier census (1871 and 1881) have a person called George Waters, who was also born in Newhaven in 1861 and who's parents are Fredrick Waters and Mary Waters. Could anyone please help me to shed light on which assumption is most likely correct? Thank you, Sam Waters
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:29
	Charles George Waters England Births and Christenings Name: Charles George Waters Gender: Male Christening Date: 29 Mar 1863 Christening Place: , NEWHAVEN, SUSSEX, ENGLAND Father's Name: Henry Thomas Waters Mother's Name: Mary Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C14829-2 , Syst
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:32
	the other george charles was born in lewes Charles George Waters England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008 birth registration: 1863 Lewes, Sussex, England
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:37
	Charly Waters England and Wales Census, 1881 Name: Charly Waters Age (Original): 18 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1863 Birthplace: Newham, Sussex, England Relationship to Head of Household: Visitor Marital Status: Single Address: 13 Lansdown Terrace Event Place: Eastbourne, Sussex, England Record Type: Household Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 1038 / 15 Page Number: 23 Household Role Gender Age Birthplace John Henefick Head M 36 , Middlesex, England Mary Ann Henefick Wife F 40 Newham, Sussex, England Charly Waters Visitor M 18 Newham, Sussex, England
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,664 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:39
	If you are sure the marriage is the right one, have you bought a copy of the cert to see who his father was? Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%) Towner Emily Eastbourne 2b 116 Waters Charles George Eastbourne 2b 116
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: March 2015 Posts: 13 Send Message	0805hels	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:40
Member Since: March 2015 Posts: 13 Send Message	Thanks, Yvonne. I'm fairly certain this is the same person as Newhaven is very close to Lewes (and I believe it's in the Lewes registration district). The first census he shows up on with the full name Charles George Waters is 1891 where he's listed as head of household and married to Emily Towner. There appears to be no record of him in any previous census. In earlier census I can find a George Waters, but his parents are Fredrick and Mary.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,664 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:42
	Following on from the 1881 census posted by Yvonne: Perhaps Charles was illegitimate? I don't see the death of a Henry Waters in Sussex 1862-64 Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%) Keinfich John Joseph Lewes 2b 205 Kenifich John Joseph Lewes 2b 205 Waters Mary Ann Lewes 2b 205 EDIT; Sorry, I was getting mixed up between Mary Ann and her mother Mary Ann.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:47
	Henry Thomas Waters England and Wales Census, 1871 Name: Henry Thomas Waters Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Male Age: 59 Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: Newhaven, Sussex Schedule Type: Household Parish: Seaford County: Sussex Household Role Gender Age Birthplace Henry Thomas Waters Self M 59 Newhaven, Sussex Mary A Waters Wife F 53 Newhaven, Sussex Mary A Kendick Daughter F 35 Newhaven, Sussex Elizabeth Waters Daughter F 10 Newhaven, Sussex
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,362 Send Message	alviegal	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:48
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,362 Send Message	I think this George is the son of Frederick and Mary Ann so not your man. 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 15, South Street, Newhaven, Lewes, Sussex, England Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Frederick Waters Head Married Male 57 1824 Custom House Officer Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Mary Waters Wife Married Female 57 1824 - Coverack, Cornwall, England Transcription >.George Waters Son Single Male 20 1861 Grocers Assistant Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Janie Waters Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Teacher Nat School Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Lizzie Waters Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Teacher Nat School Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Lucy Richards Daughter Married Female 24 1857 Teacher Nat School Newhaven, Sussex, England 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Queens Park Road, Brighton, Sussex, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Wood Head Married Male 73 1818 Retired Fruiterer Rotherfield, Sussex, England Transcription Ann Wood Wife Married Female 82 1809 - Swanage, Dorset, England Transcription >>George Waters Son In Law Married Male 30 1861 Grocers Assistant Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Alice M Waters Daughter Married Female 25 1866 - Brighton, Sussex, England Transcription Elizabeth F Richardson Servant Married Female 22 1869 - London, England This is your man in the same census. 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ashford Road, Eastbourne, Sussex, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charles George Waters Head Married Male 28 1863 Coachman Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Emily Waters Wife Married Female 21 1870 - Westdean, Sussex, England Transcription Charles Henry Waters Son - Male 3 1888 - Eastbourne, Sussex, England Transcription Emily Maria Waters Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Eastbourne, Sussex, England
Member Since: March 2015 Posts: 13 Send Message	0805hels	Report	13 Jun 2015 20:49
Member Since: March 2015 Posts: 13 Send Message	That's very interesting, Yvonne, and seems very likely he was just a visitor! ArgyllGran, thank you for your input. I am certain their wedding details are correct as I have family information. I'll certainly have a look into the Keinfich family to follow that lead. Thanks again, Sam
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,362 Send Message	alviegal	Report	13 Jun 2015 21:01
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,362 Send Message	1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Clinton Place, Seaford, Eastbourne, Sussex, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Thos Waters Head - Male 59 1812 - Sussex, England Transcription Mary A Waters Wife - Female 53 1818 - Sussex, England Transcription Mary A Kenifick Daughter - Female 33 1838 - Sussex, England Transcription Elizabeth Waters Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Sussex, England Is this the Kenifeck connection from 1881??
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,664 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	13 Jun 2015 21:04
	The Mary Kendick in the 1871 posted by Yvonne is actually Mary Kenefick on the image, so that's the same family as in 1881 census, and the 1864 marriage. So it looks like Charly in 1881 was a much younger brother of Mary Ann Kenefick, nee Waters, and son of Henry and Mary Ann (senior), as stated on christening record, (I had thought he might be an illegitimate baby for Mary Ann Kenefick before marriage, and just registered as Henry & Mary Ann's son.)
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,362 Send Message	alviegal	Report	13 Jun 2015 21:07
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,362 Send Message	The family. 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Chapel Row, Newhaven, Lewes Chailey West Firle & Newhaven, Sussex, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Henry Waters Male 25 1816 Sussex, England barge master Mary Waters Female 20 1821 Sussex, England Transcription >>Mary Waters Female 4 1837 Sussex, England Transcription Barbara Waters Female 2 1839 Sussex, England Transcription William Waters Male 0 1841 Sussex, England Transcription Caroline Welch Female 14 1827 Sussex, England 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Cottage Gardens, Newhaven, Lewes, Sussex, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Waters Head Married Male 37 1814 Bargeman Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Mary Ann Waters Wife Married Female 32 1819 Bargeman's Wife Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Barbara Waters Daughter - Female 12 1839 School Newhaven Transcription William Waters Son - Male 10 1841 School Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Caroline Waters Daughter - Female 7 1844 School Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription John Waters Son - Male 2 1849 School Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Maria Knight Waters Daughter - Female 0 1851 Home Newhaven and Mary Ann 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Bridge Hotel, Newhaven, Lewes, Sussex, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Fridk Geo Turner Head Married Male 31 1820 Hotel Keeper London, Middlesex, England Transcription Jannet Turner Wife Married Female 23 1828 Hotel Keeper's Wife Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Sarah Smith Resident Widow Female 61 1790 Retired Hotel Keeper Brighton, Sussex, England Transcription Ann Smith Resident Unmarried Female 26 1825 Assistant Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Elizabeth Bratt Servant Unmarried Female 22 1829 Cook Sussex, England Transcription James Nye Servant Unmarried Male 20 1831 Hosler Arundel, Sussex, England Transcription >.Mary Ann Waters Servant Unmarried Female 14 1837 Chamber Maid Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Thomas Hain Visitor Married Male 52 1799 Ship Owner Plymouth, Devon, England Transcription John Ryan Visitor Unmarried Male 27 1824 Carpenter Steam Boat Woolwich, Kent, England Transcription George White Visitor Unmarried Male 13 1838 Grocer & Journeyman Chichester, Sussex, England 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription London and Paris Hotel, West View Terrace, Newhaven, Lewes, Sussex, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Elizabeth Knight Manager Married Female 52 1809 Hotel Manager Dover, Kent, England Transcription Caroline Knight Daughter To Manager Unmarried Female 11 1850 Scholar Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Elizabeth S Hall Servant Unmarried Female 23 1838 Bar Maid Dover, Kent, England Transcription Adelaide F Hagnere Servant Unmarried Female 33 1828 Sempstress France Transcription Alice Page Servant Widow Female 34 1827 Chamber Maid Westham, Sussex, England Transcription Elizabeth Stanbridge Servant Unmarried Female 21 1840 Undermaid Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription >>Mary A Waters Servant Unmarried Female 24 1837 House Maid Newhaven, Sussex, England Transcription Josephine ... Servant Married Female 39 1822 Cook Belgium Transcription Maria Jarman Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 Kitchen Maid Cambridgeshire, England Transcription Peter Geering Servant Married Male 24 1837 Warder Crumpsall, Lancashire, England Transcription Edward Howard Servant Unmarried Male 19 1842 Porter Bishopstone, Sussex, England Transcription Robert Hunter Lodger Unmarried Male 25 1836 Son Of A Cotton Plaster United States Transcription Alfred Jinks Lodger Unmarried Male 28 1833 General Merchants Clerk Oundle, Northamptonshire, England Transcription Thomas Allcard Lodger Married Male 42 1819 Fund Holder London, Middlesex, England Transcription Marie D Allcard Lodger Married Female 38 1823 - France Transcription Henri J A Cordin Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1842 - France Transcription Urwin ... Lodger Unmarried Male 23 1838 General Servant France Transcription Marie H V Comproy Lodger Unmarried Female 21 1840 General Servant France
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,362 Send Message	alviegal	Report	13 Jun 2015 21:18
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,362 Send Message	Name: Mary Ann Waters Gender: Female Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1864 Marriage Place: Newhaven,Sussex,England Father: Henry Thomas Waters Spouse: John Joseph Kenifick Father: Richard Kenifick FHL Film Number: 1067272
Member Since: March 2015 Posts: 13 Send Message	0805hels	Report	13 Jun 2015 21:53
Member Since: March 2015 Posts: 13 Send Message	This has all been so useful! Thank you for the help, I'll get adding it to my tree and see how it plays out! Warm regards, Sam

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