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26 May 2015 16:33 |
Hi All would it be possible for someone to do a lookup for me Looking for Tom Hird b:1886 Westmorland possibly Levens or Preston Patrick son of Thomas Hird and Hannah Hutchinson Possible Regiment: Kings Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment) Service No. 2592 Need to confirm if he is the son of Thomas Hird (if next of kin is shown) also confirmation that I have the right Regiment
I am aware that many WW1 records where lost during WW2 if they exist would be interested to see where he served during WW1
Many thanks
UPDATE I now have a copy of the REPORT downloaded from the National Archives records. Thank you everyone for your help :-) :-)
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Gee
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26 May 2015 16:47 |
Hi
Might this be him
Name: Tom Hird
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birth Place: Lesense, Westmorland
Enlistment Age: 28
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 2592
Regiment Name: Kent Own Br??
Number of Images: 31
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
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Ann
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26 May 2015 16:51 |
Hi Gins
Would it be possible to send me the images of his service record
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Gee
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26 May 2015 16:54 |
I can't see a NOK on the record. His occupation is Gardner
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Ann
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26 May 2015 16:58 |
It is possible as he worked at Levens Hall . What does NOK mean?
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Andrew
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26 May 2015 16:59 |
NOK = Next Of Kin
Andy
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Ann
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26 May 2015 17:01 |
Ok thanks
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Gee
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26 May 2015 17:02 |
Name:Tom Hird
Age:5
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1886
Relation:Son (Child)
Father's name: Thomas Hird
Mother's name: Hannah Hird
Gender:Male
Where born:Levens, Westmorland, England
Civil Parish:Levens
Ecclesiastical parish:Levens
County/Island:Westmorland
Registration district:Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel:6
Piece:4334 Folio:70 Page Number:6
Household Members:
Name
Age
Thomas Hird 36 Hannah Hird 35 Isabella Hird 10 Mary Hird 8 Tom Hird 5 Edward Hird 3 Earnest Hird 1 William Hird 7/12
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Jacqueline
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26 May 2015 17:54 |
Regiment is definitely the Kings Own
He was a POW from 1915 to 1918
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Ann
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26 May 2015 19:39 |
Thanks Jacqueline were can this information be found? I do not subscribe to any other site other than this one
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alviegal
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26 May 2015 20:26 |
He had worked for William Barratt of Kepplewray, Broughton in Furness, Lanc as a gardener pre 14 Aug 1914 and he offered him emplyment in 1919 on his return to civil life.
Tom's address was Broad Stone House, Holme, Carnforth.
These records are all on findmypast and possibly ancestry as well.
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Ann
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26 May 2015 20:28 |
Thanks alviegal
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26 May 2015 20:37 |
Is this him in 1911?
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Gowrie Eskdale Cumberland, Eskdale and Wasdale, Cumberland, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Thomas Septimus Tyson Head Married Male 30 1881 Nether Wasdale Cumberland Stone Mason Transcription Ellen Tyson Wife Married Female 33 1878 Eskdale Cumberland Boardinghouse Keeper Transcription Laura Russell Tyson Daughter - Female 3 1908 Eskdale Cumberland - Transcription Annie Tyson Daughter - Female 1 1910 Eskdale Cumberland - Transcription Rose Tyson Daughter - Female 0 1911 Eskdale Cumberland - Transcription >>Tom Hird Boarder Single Male 25 1886 Levens Westmoreland Gardener Domestic Transcription Daniel McGinis Boarder Married Male 28 1883 Aberdeen Scotland Resident Stone-Cutter Transcription John Caven Boarder Single Male 23 1888 Dalbeattie Kirkcudbrightshire Scotland Resident Sett-Maker Transcription William George Wykes Boarder Single Male 25 1886 Dalbeattie Kirkcudbrightshire Scotland Resident Sett-Maker Transcription Isabella Dawson Servant Single Female 17 1894 Eskdale Cumberland General Servant Domestic
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Ann
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26 May 2015 20:42 |
Had seen this information and yes think it maybe but still researching
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Kucinta
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27 May 2015 03:53 |
The National Archives have this record for a Tom Hird as part of their POW collection :
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9214050
downloadable for £3.30.
You can preview images of the material, and there seems to be 3 typescript pages. You can only see snippets in the preview, but he seems to be talking about how he was wounded, taken prisoner , what life was like in the camps, what parcels and letters they were allowed to receive, treatment, discipline etc, recorded in his own words.
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Name(s): Hird, Tom. Page no: 1831-1834. Corps: 4th Battalion King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment. Regiment ...
War Office: Miscellaneous Unregistered Papers, First World War. Committee on the Treatment of British Prisoners of War: Interviews and Reports. Other ranks reports: pages 1576-2402... Name(s): Hird, Tom. Page no: 1831-1834. Corps: 4th Battalion King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment. Regiment No: 2592. Rank: Corporal. People mentioned: Captain Pearson, 4th Battalion King's Own Royal Held by: The National Archives - War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Date: 17 June 1915 Reference: WO 161/99/100
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" Prisoner of war interview reports 1914-1918
What are these records?
These records, in series WO 161, are reports on over 3,000 British and Commonwealth prisoners of war captured during the First World War.
The reports were made by the Committee on the Treatment of British Prisoners of War before the Armistice was signed on 11 November 1918. The Committee appointed examiners who conducted interviews with repatriated, escaped or interned prisoners of war to ask about how they had been treated. The examiners then wrote up the reports.
The reports include:
officers medical officers other ranks merchant seamen and civilians (in a minority of cases)
Although the reports contain valuable information, they represent only a tiny percentage of the estimated 192,000 British and Commonwealth captives. They do not include the many prisoners of war who were liberated after the Armistice.
What information do the records contain?
Most reports can include details of:
unit home address events in no man's land when and where captured wounds suffered transfer between camps comments on treatment and conditions in camps escape attempts
A few early reports contain straightforward answers to specific questions. Not all standard questions were filled in on the form.
Standard questions from the hospital enquiry sheet include:
name, rank and regiment rank home address place and date of capture treatment details
Unlike many other records, the reports often describe what happened after the battle in which the prisoner was captured."
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Kucinta
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27 May 2015 04:07 |
From his military records on FMP as mentioned by others:
Embodied Home 8/9/14
Appointed Act. L/Corpl 7/11/14 Appointed Act Cpl 16/5/15
Wounded missing 15/6/15
Prisoner of War 15/6/15
Posted Repatriated P O W 9/12/18
Disembodied 12/3/19
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27 May 2015 10:38 |
The International Committee of the Red Cross has digitised it's WW1 POW records and has records for Thomas/Tom.
Inputting his surname will show a card with 4 references on it which you can then input separately to see what each record contains.
There are explanations of how to read the cards and an abbreviations glossary (they are in German)
http://grandeguerre.icrc.org
Different prisoners have different records showing. My own Grandfather's shows his NOK details and the fact that his wife was informed, but I don't see this for Tom.
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Ann
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27 May 2015 11:17 |
Thank you Kucinta and greyghost will take a look at the above sites and see what I can find out :-)
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northwood
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29 May 2015 20:51 |
I looked on the Ancestry site and found a Tom Hird 2592. Served in the 4th Battalion Kings Own a Territorial Regiment and was discharged in 1921 Born in Levens Westmorland Regards Northwood
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Ann
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30 May 2015 07:49 |
Thank you Northwood
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