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Found out why I couldn't trace brother Tom on the census ,he was much younger than Rose , maybe 14 years , so would have been too young for the 1911 census

found the address on the 1911 census image now . I didn't scroll down far enough

Doesn't the record say she went to Nantyffyllon girl's school? so both schools were girls schools.

I notice she left the minute she hit age 14, ie her last day was 15/11/17, and her recorded birth date on the school record was 14/11/03, which differs slightly from the date of birth on her death record, that seemed to be the default age to leave the school, although the school leaving age wasn'r raised to 14 years until 1918.

Thanks everyone, I've got to go for tonight . Will be back tomorrow

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=563734.msg4161782#msg4161782

this link will hopefully give you info on someone offering school admission look ups for Maesteg/Plasnewydd School Registers so may be worth asking if the poster has any info about Nantyffyllon school where the Rose Esther went before the girls school.

If you have Ancestry, sometimes easier to look for addresses on 1911 Census Summary Books...

(since changes, not always easy to find on FMP, takes a bit of 'playing around with' and patience, lol, sometimes you can be lucky straight away)

Chris :)

(from 1911 Wales Summary Books, following Jones family at 11 South Parade, although a popular name!)

John Rees Jones Head Married Male 34 1877 Llanfiangel Croyddyn in County of Cardigan Police Constable
Minnie Jones Wife Married Female 34 1877 Roch Pembrokeshire
Doris Jones Daughter - Female 6 1905 Llantwit Vardre Glamorganshire
Address 11 South Parade Maesteg Glamorganshire
Parish Cwmdu
County Glamorganshire
Registration district Bridgend
Census reference RG14 PN32532 RG78 PN1858 RD591 SD1 ED7 SN258


1901 (11 South Parade)
George Jones Head Married Male 46 1855 Colliery Repairer Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales
Elizabeth Jones Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Mary C Jones Daughter Single Female 24 1877 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret Jones Daughter Single Female 23 1878 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Agnes Jones Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Drapers Assistant Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Annie Jones Daughter Single Female 17 1884 E School Teacher Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Thomas Henry Jones Son Single Male 15 1886 Coal Miner Hewer Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Sarah Jones Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
David James Jones Son Single Male 10 1891 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Richard John Jones Son Single Male 8 1893 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wale
Ethel Jones Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Windson Jones Son Single Male 3 1898 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Willie George Jones Son Single Male 1 1900 - Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Percy Williams Boarder Single Male 18 1883 Coal Miner Hewer Manorbier, Pembrokeshire, Wales

image on fmp school admission looks like she was at
Nantyffyllon Primary School before moving to the girls school
goggle gives this address don't know if there would be any records anywhere for this school
Garnwen Terrace
Nantyffyllon
Maesteg
Bridgend
CF34 0ET

They are big houses they may have had lodgers ..Rose was living at number 1 on the wedding certificate but I remember them living at number six They had 10 children .

A Lambert family were at No 2 South Parade Maesteg in 1911, so no joy there either.

Just a thought . Could the Jones's have been the parents of Rose's father . still can't find them in 1911 . And can't find brother Tom . If he was a full brother he would possibly be Davies as well. .

Just looking at that school admission Chris posted.

Image says address is 2 South Parade, in case that helps identify the family in a census.

The Jones family obviously hadn't moved far if Rose Esther gave her address as 1 South Parade on her marriage.


Edit: No joy. A Yelland family were at No 1 South Parade in 1911. They had 10 rooms and several boarders - maybe Rose Esther was a boarder there at the time of her marriage?

Hi Chris how do you find the addresses on the 1911 census . the record I found only has name occupation and birthplace on the image

1901 (Find My Past, bit easier on the eyes format!)
William Jones Head Married Male 35 1866 Coal Miner Hewer Below Ground Penclawdd, Glamorgan, Wales
Ann Jones Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Mary Anna Jones Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Elizabeth Ann Jones Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Guesless Jones Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Rose Jones Daughter - Female 0 (7mo on image) 1901 - Llwynypia, Glamorgan, Wales
Street Middle Terrace
Parish Ystradyfodwg
County Glamorganshire
Municipal ward No 7
Registration district Pontypridd
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 5018
Folio 148
Page 10

(which Birth would be Rose above, on below, afraid I'm not much help Welsh BMD's!, perhaps you need both Birth Certs.)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)

Not sure now if I am wrong with that census. In1911 Rose is with her mother in Pontypridd .but in 1912 she is at school in Maesteg
In 1901The Jones family I found is in the Rhondda with a 7 month baby Rose . Could she have gone back to Mary Jane when she married Robert Wiliams . and come back to maesteg with the Jones 's later .I don't know how official the 'adoption' was.

I didn't know when she was adopted .I know that she did have some contact with her birth mother , but it wasn't much talked about in the family . I think mary jane was married three times eventually . . but don't know any more .seems to be a tricky subject with the older members of my family so didn't like to ask too much Rose was my grandmother .

it was a register office wedding witnesses were William Jones (his mark ) not sure if that' is her father or her brother . and Jessie Verity . The registrar was Graham M verity so possibly his wife or daughter

I think you're right Chris, so that almost certainly eliminates her.

EDIT: Oops - so was it a late adoption then?

You've got it . I found a birth certificate for Rose Esther Davis but wasn't sure that it was the right one , . Did know that her birth mother was Mary Jane but didn't know a surname .

Rose was adopted by the Jones's So was her brother Tom (full brother as far as I know ) The Haverford west death is the right one but she was brought back to Maesteg and is buried with her husband

1911 (Find My Past)
Robert Williams Head Married Male 28 1883 Carno Montyvershire Assistant Timberman Underground
Mary Jane Williams Wife Married Female 24 1887 Glamorgan Maesteg
Rose Ester Davies Daughter - Female 8 1903 Glamorgan Maesteg
Address Brickyard Cottages (No. 6) Pencoedcae Pontypridd
Parish Llantrisant
County Glamorganshire
Census reference RG14 PN32297 RG78 PN1852 RD589 SD3 ED5 SN97
(Married 5yrs, 1 child born,1 living)

(wondered if above was that 1903 Birth)

Chris :)