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I am trying to follow the census that I located for the following family that is the 1871 1861 1851 1891 1901. I have the following details of the 1881 welsh census for
Catherine Roberts
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: 1819
Relation:
Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born:
Bryncroes, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish:
Denio
County/Island:
Caernarvonshire
Country:
Wales
Street address:
Rhydlyniog
Condition as to marriage:
Married
Education:
Occupation:
Farm Labourers Wife
Registration district:
Pwllheli
Sub registration district:
Pwllheli
ED, institution, or vessel:
8
Piece:5557
Folio:101
Page Number:39
Household Members:
Catherine Roberts 62
Ellen Roberts 34
Robert Roberts 32
Wiliam Evans 9
Robert Evans 6
Jane Roberts 3
Elizabeth Roberts 3
Source Citation
Class: RG11; Piece: 5557; Folio: 101; Page: 39; GSU roll: 1342334

I cant see a reason why Robert Roberts is the father of Robert Evans Jane Evans and Elizabeth Roberts.
Hope that someone may put light on the census.
The person I am trying to follow is Robert Evans b 1875 Llangybi Caernarvonshire.
Kind Regards Allan and Kay P




:-(

Hello Allan, strictly speaking there is nowhere where it says he is their father. Their relationship is given to the head of the household - Catherine.

This transcription is a little clearer:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Rhydlyniog, Denio, Pwllheli, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Catherine Roberts Wife Head Married Female 62 1819 Farm Labourers Wife Bryncroes, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Ellen Roberts Daughter Single Female 34 1847 Charwoman Denio, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Robert Roberts Son Single Male 32 1849 Farmer Denio, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Wiliam Evans Grand Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Denio, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Robert Evans Grand Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Llangybi, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Jane Roberts Grand Daughter Single Female 3 1878 ­ Caernarvonshire, Wales
Elizabeth Roberts Grand Daughter Single Female 3 1878 ­ Caernarvonshire, Wales

1871 is free on familysearch...........as previously advised, on your other thread about ROBERT EVANS

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1346858

It doesn't state that Robert Roberts is the father of the Evans children.

He is Unmarried.

If this is him in 1891...........he is still "Single"

Robert Roberts in the 1891 Wales Census
Name:Robert Roberts
Age:45
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Relation:
Servant (Employee)
Gender:Male
Where born:Denio, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish:Llannor
Ecclesiastical parish:Llannor
County/Island:Caernarvonshire
Country:Wales
Registration district:Pwllheli
Sub registration district:Pwllheli

Household Members:




Richard Roberts 41
Catharine Roberts 35
Sarah Roberts 12
William Roberts 7
Griffith Roberts 3
Robert Roberts 45 (Farm Servant) Single

I've just realised that Allan may be referring to the erroneous relationships that Ancestry transcriptions often give to grandchildren. That is the case in this instance.

Not sure how it's erroneous

The children are recorded, presumably quite correctly, as the grandchildren of Catherine Roberts

FMP has exactly the same info

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rhydlyniog, Denio, Pwllheli, Caernarvonshire, Wales


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Catherine Roberts Wife Head Married Female 62 1819 Farm Labourers Wife Bryncroes, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Ellen Roberts Daughter Single Female 34 1847 Charwoman Denio, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Robert Roberts Son Single Male 32 1849 Farmer Denio, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Wiliam Evans Grand Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Denio, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Robert Evans Grand Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Llangybi, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Jane Roberts Grand Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Elizabeth Roberts Grand Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcr

I'm afraid that Allan has misinterpreted the info, probably as a result of not noticing that Robert Roberts is SINGLE

The Evans boys would logically be the children of a female Roberts child who married an Evans

Jacqueline, it's erroneous in this way:

1881 Wales Census (Ancestry version)
Name: Robert Evans
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Grandson
Father's name: Robert Roberts <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangybi, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Denio
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Rhydlyniog

(The same erroneous relationship has been given for all of Catherine's grandchildren)

Note I said ANCESTRY transcriptions, not FindMyPast (which was what I'd already posted)

EDIT: Rather rude of you to say Allan has misinterpreted the information which Ancestry has clearly (but wrongly) stated.

Thank you Jacqueline, MarieCeleste and PricklyHolly for the census records. I did misread the 1881 and 1871 census. Thank you for clearing up my oversight that Robert Roberts was the father of Robert Evans and William Evans I did not notice that he was single..,
The 1861 and 1851 census may throw light onto other children of Catherine Roberts b 1819 Bryncroes Caernarvonshire. :-0

This looks like them in 1851



Name:Robert Roberts

Age:4

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1847

Relation:Son (Child)

Father's name:
Robert Roberts

Mother's name:
Cathrine Roberts

Gender:Male

Where born:Llanystymdwy, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township:Llanystymdwy

County/Island:Caernarvonshire

Country:Wales

Registration district:Pwllheli

Sub-registration district:Criccieth

ED, institution, or vessel:2a
Piece:2513
Folio:33
Page Number:2
Household schedule number:6

Household Members:

Robert Roberts 36
Cathrine Roberts 31
Evan Roberts 8
Robert Roberts 4
Margaret Roberts 2

1861

Name:Robert Roberts

Age:14

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1847

Relation:Son (Child)

Father's name:
Robert Roberts

Mother's name:
Cathrine Roberts

Gender:Male

Where born:Llanystymdwy, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township:Llanystumdwy

County/Island:Caernarvonshire

Country:Wales

Registration district:Pwllheli

Sub-registration district:Criccieth

ED, institution, or vessel:3
Household schedule number:47
Piece:4328
Folio:30
Page Number:8

Household Members:

Robert Roberts 43
Cathrine Roberts 41
Robert Roberts 14
Margreat Roberts 12
John Roberts 4

Thank you Gins for the 1851 and 1861 census. Now I can look for a marriage as Robert Roberts as the spouse and Catherine the wife. Many Thanks to all that have help me with my query. :-S

Baptism
County Caernarvonshire
Place Bryncroes
Church Parish Church
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 04 Dec 1842
Forename Evan
Sex M
FatherForename Robert
MotherForename Catherine
FatherSurname ROBERTS

(if relating, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

(not sure which one on below though!)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


edits (on FMP too, also some as Deneio)


?

Marriages Sep 1842 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
EVANS Catharine Pwllheli 27 449
JONES John Pwllheli 27 449
OWENS Owen Pwllheli 27 449
ROBERTS Robert Pwllheli 27 449


1851 (from FMP)
Robert Roberts Head Married Male 36 1815 Agr Labourer Caernarvonshire, Wales
Cathrine Roberts Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Bryncroes, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Evan Roberts Son Unmarried Male 8 1843 - Bryncroes, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Robert Roberts Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 - Caernarvonshire, Wales
Margaret Roberts Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1849 - Caernarvonshire, Wales
House number 2 Dodyn (Rodyn?)
Parish Llanystymdwy
County Caernarvonshire
Hamlet Llanystymdwy
Registration district Pwllheli
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2513
Folio 33
Page 2


Caernarvonshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) ROBERT
Last name ROBERTS
Baptism year 1847
Baptism day 17
Baptism month Jan
Baptism place LLANYSTYMDWY
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Father's first name(s) Robert (Labourer)


North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1842
ROBERTS Robert EVANS Catharine Bryncroes, St Mary Gwynedd - Dwyfor Area
Register Office (Pwllheli)

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php

(perhaps worth a look on above!)

Not rude at all..........come off the high horse Marie

Misinterpretation is easy to do, and Allan has quite readily said he didn't notice the man was single

Me? High horse? Certainly not Jacqueline! Feet are firmly on the ground. ;-)

That's OK then.... ;-)

I don't think Allan subscribes to Ancestry, or he wouldn't be asking for lookups............would he?

Not sure of the source of the 1881 he posted...........it wasn't the FREE familysearch, as this is its layout

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Catherine Roberts Wife Head F 62 Wales
Ellen Roberts Daughter F 34 Wales
Robert Roberts Son M 32 Wales
Wiliam Evans Grand Son M 9 Wales
Robert Evans Grand Son M 6 Wales
Jane Roberts Grand Daughter F 3 Wales
Elizabeth Roberts Grand Daughter F 3 Wales
GS Film number: 1342334

Thank you Jacqueline, Chris Ho for the 1851 census, baptism and marriage records of Robert Roberts and Catherine Evans.
Yes they are all belong to the same family so now will send away for the birth cert of Robert Evans b 1875 grandson of Catherine Roberts nee Evans and hope that I have located my Robert William Evans b 1875 North Wales. No I am not a member of Ancestry or Fine my Past but not having any knowledge of Wales and its counties it is very difficult to research a family. Once again Thank you to all that has helped me with my research :-)

I am confused once again Can somebody help.
Looking for a baptism or birth registration for
Robert Evans or could be Robert William Evans
bc1874 Llangybi Caernarvonshire
father Robert Evans a farmer (wedding cert)

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

(you need to look on above, quite a few!)


Not seeing a Baptism.

Chris :)

I was looking at this one, maybe the mother's name was Williams



Name:Robert Williams Evans

Registration Year:1875

Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar

Registration district:Pwllheli

Inferred County:Caernarvonshire

Volume:11b

Page:445

You would need to buy the certificate to check the parents details

Thank you Gin and Chris Ho for your help with the birth entry of Robert William Evans. The birth certificate will hopefully give me my answers.

Kind Regards
Allan and Kay