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Thanks mgnv this is very useful and definitely an ancestor.
Jules

Check out http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/archives/ - in partic, the Kendal branch is my guess.

Using http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/ - this might be Sam's son:
Cumbria Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PATTISON William CRELLIN Charlotte E Millom, Holy Trinity Cumbria Certificate Services C4/1/176

There are a few rego's from churches in Lancs-in-Furness transcribed at:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Thank you for looking on my behalf. I just hope I find more before I get too old!

No, I'm not a relative. The records above have come from Familysearch (it's free to use):

https://familysearch.org/search

Most of us also have subscriptions to either Ancestry.com or Findmypast.co.uk, but I've had a look at both and they don't have the original documents either.

Thanks Gritty. It is all a bit confusing. It is possible that Samuel was illegitimate, its beginning to look more like it. Where do I get confirmation online? Because it is such a long while ago the records may have been destroyed? I appreciate your help. Ar you replying becuse you may be a relative?
Jules

I think it's confusing as on your earlier thread you were given the baptisms below as possible siblings for Samuel. However, these have William listed as their father- I suppose it's possible that William as the father is fictional, or, that the transcription of Samuel's record is incorrect- but without seeing the original baptism record for Samuel we can only assume that he is illegitimate:

Name:Mary Pattinson
Gender: Female
Christening Date:1814
Christening Place: PATTERDALE, WESTMORELAND, ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Pattinson
Mother's Name: Agnas
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05569-2 , System Origin: England-VR , GS Film number: 1471760 , Reference ID: - 2:2VHRNFP

Name: Agnas Pattinson
Gender:Female
Christening Date: 1817
Christening Place: PATTERDALE, WESTMORELAND, ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Pattinson
Mother's Name: Agnas
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05569-2 , System Origin: England-VR , GS Film number: 1471760 , Reference ID: - 2:2VHRPFV

I'm not sure who would hold copies of the original baptisms- normally they can be viewed at Central Libraries who will often send out photocopies for a small charge, but as I don't really know the Lake District area I don't know where that would be. Perhaps somebody else can suggest who you can contact.

Gritty x

I don't think there is any need to snap. I am just trying to get everything straight in my head, which is not as young as it was! Thank you for your help.

Right, so where can I find the info which proves Samuel was illegitimate and which is the correct data for Agnas?

She may not have been married when she had Samuel, but she could have married later, after Samuel's birth.

Perhaps this is why there's some confusion- different information has been given on an earlier thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1341098

Thanks,but I think her married name was Pattinson because her husband was Pattinson. Or else she didn't marry.

She may have married? I'll put this up just in case:

Name: Agnes Pattinson
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 14 Nov 1809
Marriage Place: Shap, Westmoreland, England
Spouse: William Walker
FHL Film Number: 1471809
Reference ID: Item 20 1809 2

There's also a marriage in 1828 to a William Cunningham but this is not the correct Agnes as she was born c1804.

Agnes Robinson
England Births and Christenings
Name:
Agnes Robinson
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
06 Aug 1786
Christening Place:
Kendal, Westmorland, England
Father's Name:
Wm Robinson
Mother's Name:
Jane Robinson

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Samuel
Last name Pattinson
Name note -
Marriage year 1827
Marriage date 12 Aug 1827
Marriage place Urswick, Lancaster, England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Beck
Spouse's father's first name(s) -
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Residence Millom, Cumberland, England
Place Millom
County Cumberland
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Gill House, Kirkby Ireleth, Ulverstone, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Pattison Head Married Male 44 1807 Quarry Lab Patterdale, Cumberland, England
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Mary Pattison Wife Married Female 47 1804 - Bardsea, Lancashire, England
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Mary Pattison Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 Farm Servant Lancashire, England

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Gill House, Kirkby Ireleth, Ulverston, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Samuel Pattison Male 33 1808 -
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Mary Pattison Female 34 1807 Lancashire, England
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Jonathen Pattison Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England
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William Pattison Male 8 1833 Lancashire, England
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Mary Pattison Female 6 1835 Lancashire, England

It is beginning to look as if Agnas was not married when she had Samuel. I am going to look up the name of Robinson in case that was her maiden name. Thanks for all the replies. I shall be back!

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription
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First name(s) Agnes
Last name Pattinson
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1786
Baptism date 04 Jun 1786
Residence Kendal, Westmoreland, England
Place Kendal
County Westmorland
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thos
Father's last name Pattinson
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name Pattinson
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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Hello Jules

For reference is this the son?

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Samuel Pattinson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 7 Nov 1806
Christening Place: Patterdale, Westmorland, England
Mother's name: Agnas Pattinson
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And another possible son?
Name: John Pattinson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1809
Baptism Date: 7 May 1809
Baptism Place: Kendal,Westmorland,England
Mother: Agnes Pattinson
FHL Film Number: 0973138-0973139
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In particular I am trying to find the family of Agnas b. 1790's, her married surname was Pattinson. She had a son Samuel.
Any information would be useful.