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I am interested in the Murray and Hamil families of Ireland and Manchester.

Thomas Murray was born in county Louth, c1875. I am sure he had siblings, but I have no details. Rose Hamill was born in County Monaghan, C1877. She had at least two siblings, Edward Hamill b 1874, and Peter, b 1882. Thomas married rose, somewhere around 1900, but I do not know whether that was in Ireland or in the England.

They all appear on the 1901 census in Manchester, living in Mason Street, St Pauls, and Manchester. Thomas is the head of the family, rose, his wife, and Edward, and Peter are listed as boarders. Thomas and Edward are recorded as being a labourer, peter, as an assistant fishmonger.

There are four other boarders: Owen colleen b 1873, Patrick Grace, James McNeavey, b 1878, and Bernard Rooney, b 1878. They were all born in Ireland, were all labourers (in the case of Patrick, a gas labourer.)

Rose was probably pregnant at that time, because she gave birth to Catherine Murray in 1902.

In 1911, Thomas and Rose are living at 8 Gratton Street, Rochdale road, Manchester, and have two more children, Thomas, b 1906, at Mason Street, and Lilly, b 1911. None of the boarders of 1901 are living with them, and I have been unable to find any details of Edward and Peter Hamill on any English census.

According to the record, Thomas and Rose had had two previous children who died in infancy.

In 1914, living at132 Slater Street, St George, Manchester, Thomas and Rose had a further daughter, Catherine.

I know the family remained in Manchester. Thomas junior, married Nora Winifred Brookes, in Manchester in 1931, had four children, one of who died in infancy, and remained in the Manchester area for the rest of their lives.

any information or links welcome

For our info.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
32, Mason Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Murray Head Married Male 25 1876 Labourer Ireland
Rose Murray Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Ireland
Edward Hamil Boarder Single Male 27 1874 Labourer Ireland
Peter Hamil Boarder Single Male 19 1882 Assistant Fishmonger Ireland
Bernard Rooney Boarder Single Male 23 1878 Labourer Ireland
James McNeavey Boarder Single Male 25 1876 Labourer Ireland
Owen Callan Boarder Single Male 28 1873 Labourer Ireland
Patrick Grace Boarder Single Male 23 1878 Gas Labourer Ireland

Possible marriage?

Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Hamell Rose Salford 8d 270
Murray Thomas Salford 8d 270

This will be their marriage...1899..

MURRAY Thomas HAMELL Rose Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended

This could be Peter 1911...

Peter Hamill 1911 Census
CountyDurhamYear
Birth Year
1879
Age32
Registration District Lanchester
Registration District Number550
SubDistrict Number3
Where Born
****Knockrear*** Monaghan Ireland

Should read "Knockreas/Knockreagh


Possible Death...


Deaths Jun 1913 (>99%)

HAMILL Peter 37 Newcastle T. 10b 162

I don't have access to check Census for you.

Name:
Peter Hamill

Birth Date:
19 Jan 1880

Birth Place:
Knockreas, Monaghan, Ireland

Father's name:
Bernard Hamill

Mother's name:
Bridget Hamill Mcgough

????

Name:
Peter Hamill

Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1880

Registration district:
Castleblayney

Volume:
1

Page:
467
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1911


Bernard Hamill 40
Rose Anne Hamill 37
Kate Hamill 9
Rose Anne Hamill 7
Bernard Hamill 3
John Hamill Under 3/12
John Hamill 34
Peter Hamill 32 - brother <<<< .Coke Fitter -Knockreas, Monaghan

Kate Callaghan 69 - Aunt-in-law

thomas murray born co louth 1875 parents names thomas and catherine

Thomas....If you purchase the Marriage Cert.of Thomas and Rose it will show their respective fathers names....

I cannot see a Catherine born 1914 but Free BMD does show a Mary Murray with mmn. Hamill.

Registered September Quarter

Murray Mary Hamill Prestwich 8d 485

Thank you, yes that is correct-it was Mary who was born 27 may 1914

Thanks to all who have offered hep. It was indeed Thomas Murray who married Rose Hamel in Salford in 1899. They were married 10 September 1899 at St Thomas of Canterbury Church, Great Cheetham Street, Salford. The address for Thomas was 32 Mason Street, which is the address at which they were living in 1901, and the address where my father (Thomas Murray) was born. One of the witnesses was E Hamill-presumably Rose's brother Edward. There respective parents were Thomas Murray (predictable), and Patrick Hamell, both of whom were farmers.

This certainly provides me with something work work on. :-D

Thomas Murray
Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name: Thomas Murray
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1875
Birthplace: Louth, Ireland
Father's Name: Thomas Murray
Mother's Name: Catherine Conolly

Mary Murray
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
birth: 23 July 1878 Ireland
father: Thomas Murray
mother: Catherine Murray Connolly

Anne Murray
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
birth: 22 September 1876 Ireland
father: Thomas Murray
mother: Catherine Connolly

Catherine Murray
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
birth: 14 November 1880 Ireland
father: Thomas Murray
mother: Catherine Connolly Murray

Patrick Murray
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
birth: 27 February 1871 Ireland
father: Thomas Murray
mother: Catherine Conolly


Peter Murray
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
birth: 29 July 1873 Ireland
father: Thomas Murray
mother: Catherine Conolly