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30 Mar 2015 11:09 |
I know this is a very long shot with the name smith but here goes: all the info is taken from the will of henry smith b 1819/20 died sept 1864 he said he would like to be buried at The Old Meeting House Birmingham (Unitarian) he m maria Louisa phipson 1819-1892 (THIS IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE SMITH FAMILY OF FOLESHILL COVENTY) In henry's will he mentioned his brother Samuel (and say no money to his other siblings) which I cannot find along with Samuel. Their father was timothy smith 17??-18?? he owned timothy smith & sons of Birmingham brass founders & lamp makers. Their are lots of timothy smith's in & around birmingham
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30 Mar 2015 11:21 |
For ref: 1861
Henry Smith Head Married Male 61 1800 Manufacturer In Brass Employing 203 Men 36 Wome### Edgbaston, Warwickshire, Maria L Smith Wife Married Female 43 1818 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, William C H Smith Son - Male 1 1860 - Leamington, Warwickshire, England Elizabeth Collins Servant Unmarried Female 26 1835 Cook Membury, Devon, England Elizabeth Reid Servant Unmarried Female 27 1834 Nurse Wyboston, Bedfordshire, England Catherine Martin Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 House Maid Dudley, Worcestershire, England
House number 2 Street Binswood Crescent Parish Leamington Priors City or borough - Town Leamington County Warwickshire Country England Municipal ward - Parliamentary borough - Registration district Warwick Enumeration district 15 Piece number 2222 Folio number 98 Page number 29
Gives his age as 61 here- where do you have his year of birth from? Do you have Henry on the 41 & 51 census before his marriage?
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30 Mar 2015 11:21 |
Name: Henry Smith Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 18 Oct 1858 Event Place: St Mary, Leamington, Warwickshire, England Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Timothy Smith Spouse's Name: Maria Louisa Phipson Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Father's Name: John Phipson
GS Film number: 1067485 , Digital Folder Number: 4292046 , Image Number: 00461
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30 Mar 2015 11:26 |
Census age fits with this:
Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Name: Henry Smith Birth Date: 22 Jun 1799 Birth Place: Edgbaston, Warwickshire, England Event Type: Birth Father: Timothy Smith Mother: Elizabeth Morgan (daughter of Robert & Ann Morgan) Piece Title: Piece 4660: Dr Williams' Library Registry, Birth Certificates, 1792-1805
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30 Mar 2015 11:30 |
and baptism for brother:
Name: Samuel Smith Birth Date: 14 Jul 1805 Birth Place: Edgbaston, Warwickshire, England Event Type: Birth Father: Timothy Smith Mother: Elizabeth Mortan Piece Title: Piece 4661-1: Dr Williams' Library Registry, Birth Certificates, 1805-1812 ---------------------------------------------------
Sister: Name: Maria Smith Birth Date: 28 Oct 1794 Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Gender: Female Event Type: Birth Father: Timothy Smith Mother: Elizabeth Morgan Denomination: Presbyterian, Independent or Baptist Piece Title: Piece 0020: Certificate nos: C 1001-1250 (1797 July 20-1798 Apr 5) ------------------------------------------------------
Sister: Name: Caroline Smith Birth Date: 17 Feb 1797 Birth Place: Edgbaston, Warwickshire, England Event Type: Birth Father: Timothy Smith Mother: Elizabeth Morgan Piece Title: Piece 4660: Dr Williams' Library Registry, Birth Certificates, 1792-1805 ----------------------------------------------------------------
Brother: Name: Robert Smith Birth Date: 27 Aug 1801 Birth Place: Edgbaston, Warwickshire, England Event Type: Birth Father: Timothy Smith Mother: Elizabeth Mortan Piece Title: Piece 4661-1: Dr Williams' Library Registry, Birth Certificates, 1805-1812 --------------------------------------------------------------------
Sister: Name: Emma Smith Birth Date: 2 Jan 1804 Birth Place: Edgbaston, Warwickshire, England Gender: Female Event Type: Birth Father: Timothy Smith Mother: Elizabeth Morgan Denomination: Presbyterian, Independent or Baptist Piece Title: Piece 0034: Certificate nos: D 751-1000 (1806 Nov 28-1807 Apr 23)
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30 Mar 2015 11:37 |
Occupational and Quarter Session Records, 1662-1866
Name: Timothy Smith Occ: Brass Founder Date: 1817 Parish: Edgbaston Division: Birmingham Hundred: Hemlingford Record Type: Jurors Lists 1816-1824
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30 Mar 2015 11:46 |
Father's burial: (Old Meeting House)
First name(s) Timothy Last name Smith Age 69 Birth year 1765 Death year 1834 Death date ? ? 1834 Burial year 1834 Burial date 23 Jul 1834 Burial place Birmingham Denomination Unitarian or Presbyterian County Warwickshire Archive reference TNA/RG/4/1431 Description WARWICKSHIRE: Birmingham, Old Meeting House (Presbyterian, or Unitarian, in 17th century): Burials Record set England & Wales Non-conformist burials ---------------------------------------------------------
Father's baptism: First name(s) Timothy Last name Smith Baptism year 1765 Baptism date 24 Feb 1765 Place Street Denomination Unitarian Father's first name(s) Timothy Mother's first name(s) Susannah County Warwickshire Archive reference TNA/RG/4/3633 Description WARWICKSHIRE: Street (Unitarian): Baptisms
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30 Mar 2015 11:50 |
thanks for all the info gritty, henry was only 43 when he died from cancer (from ancestry site) so born 1819/20
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30 Mar 2015 11:50 |
Possible for Mum's burial:
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Smith Age 59 Birth year 1767 Death year 1826 Death date ? ? 1826 Burial year 1826 Burial date 26 Feb 1826 Burial place Birmingham Denomination Unitarian or Presbyterian County Warwickshire Archive reference TNA/RG/4/1431 Description WARWICKSHIRE: Birmingham, Old Meeting House (Presbyterian, or Unitarian, in 17th century): Burials
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30 Mar 2015 11:50 |
But he was 61 on the 1861 census??
National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Henry Smith Probate Date: 15 Mar 1865 Death Date: 12 Sep 1864 Death Place: Warwickshire, England Registry: Birmingham, England
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30 Mar 2015 12:02 |
Ian- do you have the death certificate? What was the address- Binswood Crescent? and who was the informant?
Are you sure you have the correct death cert- a few options:
Death: Name: Henry Smith Registration Year: 1864 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Warwick Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 339
Death: Name: Henry Smith Registration Year: 1864 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Warwick Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 328
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30 Mar 2015 12:39 |
hi gritty, got it wrong as per, it was Binswood crescent, & it was his son whom died of cancer aged 54, so sorry I have all these smith running around my head
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30 Mar 2015 12:43 |
Not to worry- easily done!
Son's burial:
First name(s) William C H Last name Smith Death year 1894 Burial year 1894 Cemetery Birmingham, Warstone Lane cemetery County Warwickshire Register number 48584 URL http://bmsgh-shop.org.uk/BIRM-Cemeteries Record set Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010
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