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Fanny Henley was born in the Sept Q 1876, Birmingham, Warwickshire. Her parents are Henry Henley b 1830 and Sarah Ann b ca 1834
However in 1895, she married William Bates in Birmingham.
I cannot find her on the 1881 census, and them on the 1901 census.
Can anyone help please
Thank you very much
Jo

1891 for ref.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
35 Court, Newtown Row, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Henley Head Married Male 58 1833 Well Sinker Birmingham
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Sarah Henley Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Birmingham
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William Henley Son Single Male 19 1872 Carter Birmingham
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Ellen Henley Daughter Single Female 16 1875 Stamper Birmingham
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Kate Henley Daughter - Female 12 1879 Stamper Birmingham
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Fanny Henley Daughter - Female 14 1877 Press Girl Birmingham
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Laura Arrowich Boarder Single Female 18 1873 Press Girl Birmingham

Same family. I wonder if poor Fanny has been misnamed Henry?


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Court 4h Milton Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Hendley Head Married Male 57 1824 Well Sinker Bath, Gloucestershire, England
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Sarah A Hendley Wife Married Female 45 1836 - Burton on Trent, Staffordshire, England
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Sarah A Hendley Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Door Knob Maker ? Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Amelia Hendley Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Press Girl Out Of Empt Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Willm Hendley Son Single Male 10 1871 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Ellen Hendley Daughter Single Female 7 1874 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Henry Hendley Son Single Male 4 1877 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Kate Hendley Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Is this William and Fanny in 1911 - for reference

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
51 Court 7 H Farm St B Ham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Bates Head Married Male 33 1878 Birmingham Warwickshire Cycle Main Finisher
Fanny Bates Wife Married Female 33 1878 Birmingham Warwickshire
Fanny Bates Daughter Single Female 14 1897 Birmingham Warwickshire Lacguaring
William Bates Son - Male 9 1902 Warrington Lancashire Scholar
Voilet Bates Daughter - Female 5 1906 Warrington Lancashire -
Amelia Bates Daughter - Female 3 1908 Birmingham Warwickshire -
Decima Bates Daughter - Female 0 1911 Birmingham Warwickshire

Married 15 years, 6 children born 1 has died

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Name: Henry Henley
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1897
Registration District: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Event Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Age (available after 1866): 65
Birth Year (Estimated): 1832
Volume: 6D
Page: 114
Line Number: 141

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1911 at 51 Court 7 H Farm St B Ham, Birmingham
William Bates Head Married Male 33 1878 Birmingham Warwickshire Cycle Main Finisher
Fanny Bates Wife Married Female 33 1878 Birmingham Warwickshire
Fanny Bates Daughter Single Female 14 1897 Birmingham Warwickshire Lacguaring
William Bates Son - Male 9 1902 Warrington Lancashire
Voilet Bates Daughter - Female 5 1906 Warrington Lancashire -
Amelia Bates Daughter - Female 3 1908 Birmingham Warwickshire -
Decima Bates Daughter - Female 0 1911 Birmingham

Looking at the birthplace of William, could they be in Lancashire by 1901?

possibility for William Bates baptism

Baptism: 9 Mar 1902 St Luke, Warrington, Lancashire, England
William Bates - [Child] of William Bates & Fanny
Abode: 81 Plumpton Street
Occupation: Bedstead Carter
Baptised by: H. R. Wild
Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1903, Page 85, Entry 679
Source: LDS Film 2068607

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Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
BATES William Warrington 8c 244

or if baptised soon after birth and registered late

Births Jun 1902 (>99%)
BATES William Warrington 8c 227 Scan available - click to view

Alviegal
Thank you very much indeed for the 1881 census. I had tried most things but not with a 'D' in the surname.

ALSO
Greyghost
Yes that is my family on the 1911 census. Thank you

Still looking for 1901 census!
Much appreciated
Jo

Whilst I'm looking at http://www.lan-opc.org.uk - ? this for Violet

Baptism: 6 Sep 1905 St Luke, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Violet Bates - [Child] of William Bates & Fanny
Abode: 11 Barnard Street
Occupation: Iron worker
Baptised by: H. R. Wild
Register: Baptisms 1903 - 1922, Page 28, Entry 219
Source: LDS Film 2068607

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Births Sep 1905 (>99%)
Bates Violet Warrington 8c 257

Name: Fanny Bates
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 7 Jun 1896
Baptism Place: St. Stephen's, Newton Row, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father: William Bates
Mother: Fanny
FHL Film Number: 1545509
Reference ID: It.3 p 193 1934


William was an iron caster of 45G 4H Farm Street.

Alviegal
Re 1881 census, and naming Fanny - Henry - I don't think so. But ..... The age is right, but they did put down Henry Hendley as a SON !
Perhaps there were twins - Henry and Fanny, but Fanny is on the 1891 Census and Henry is not!
I have a problem
Many thanks for your help
Jo

Joseph - Beverly W - Greyghost

Thank you for all the information, especially for Fanny's children.

Must look for 1901 Census in Warrington, Lancashire for William and Fanny Bates plus children.

Thank you all for your help
Jo

Have been looking - they are not (obviously) there! And the problem is they could have been anywhere between Birmingham and Warrington.

Greyghost

I agree with you - I too have not found them on 1901 between Warrington and Birmingham.
I am going to think afresh tomorrow
Thank you very much indeed for your help
Jo