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Hi can you help JAMES BOOTH born c 1859 Manchester parents Edward OR Edwin Booth & Elizabeth Brooks..if possible any other children for this couple they married 1858 In Manchester...

Thank you Colette

Look at 1871 and 1881 census on familysearch, where they are free......and in full

Where did you find the info about the marriage?

Where did you get the info about the child?

OK found it

Correct spelling makes all the difference


Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%)
Booth Edward Manchester 8d 214
Brookes Elizabeth Manchester 8d 214

Lancs BMD version

BROOKES Elizabeth BOOTH Edward Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/120/129

Do you know their birth years?

Hi I have the marriage cert just wanted baptisms for his children.

Thank you Colette

Until you know if there were any, you can't look for baptisms

Try familysearch

I posted the marriage record because your info was slightly inaccurate, which is surprising, if you have the cert

Hi Jacqueline they had a son named James born abt 1859-60 he is not with his mother in 1861 she is with her parents in Ardwick down as Brooks married no sign of Edward..but there is a child named James Brooks born in Manchester 1859 at the Hunts Bank Cheetham Hospital Infirmary Manchester..that could be him..but I can'tfind the family as a unit.James moves to Liverpool and marries there in 1883.

Thanks Colette

The only reason the child would be registered as Brooks would be if his mother had him with a man other than her husband, which would have been a bit soon after a marriage in mid-1858

His birth may simply not have been registered, as it was before 1875.

What surname did James use when he married?

Marriage: 11 Feb 1883 St Cuthbert, Everton, Lancashire, England
James Booth - full, Stoker, Bachelor, 26 Venice Street
Elizabeth Ann Done - full, Spinster, 26 Venice Street
Groom's Father: Edward Booth, dead, Soldier
Bride's Father: William Done, dead, Carter
Witness: William Wilson; Isabella Shaw, (X)
Married by Banns by: W. H. A. Walters, B. A. Off. Min.
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1899, Page 23, Entry 46
Source: LDS Film 2147911

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Netherfield Road North, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Booth Head Married Male 30 1861 Blacksmith Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Booth Wife Married Female 27 1864 - Bury, Lancashire, England Transcription
Sarah Booth Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription


If his age is accurate, he was born no earlier than 1860

How old was EDWARD when he married?

Hi Jacqueline I have all this information all I needed was someone to lookup James Booth's baptism..Edward was a Striker Blacksmith on his marriage cert..yet on his sons he says he was a Soldier Deceased I have trawled through the FMP Soldiers records pre WW1 and Can't find him..
I a wondering if he left his wife and joined the Army after James was born and this is why she is back with her parents in Ardwick and little James was ill in hospital his wife Elizabeth was born in Ardwick in 1840..I can't find her in any census after 1861.

Edward says his father was Richard Booth a Millwright I can find either of them on a census..

Thanks again Colette

You haven't answered the question about Edward's AGE

I know that YOU had the info, but I didn't, and I'm trying to get the overall picture.

The info may also benefit anyone else who tries to help, who wouldn't have all the info

Hi Jac sorry..Edward only has Full age on his marriage cert..so that's part of the problem..I also said son James might be in the Hunts Bank Infirmary in 1861 it was 1871 sorry...I cannot find him in 1861, don't know why he's not with his mother...

Col

A tree on Ancestry has Edward's birth year as 1837 and also


James Booth
Birth 9 Dec 1860 in Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death 15 Mar 1931 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England,


Residence
1871 — Age: 11
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Relation to Head of House: Charity Boy, Cheetham's Hospital and Library for Boys (Bluecoat School for orphaned children)


The tree owner doesn't list the birth certificate in the sources for James's birth only census records.

This birth maybe the one they think?

James Booth
Registration Year: 1861
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 252

Have checked Lancs OPC for baptisms, found none for Manchester, 3 in surrounding areas for parents with these names.

Have you investigated this marriage as she is showing as Brookes in 1861 and it gives her father as James. Think the occupation of James matches the 1861 census as well

Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
ANDERTON Joseph Manchester 8d 138
BROOKES Elizabeth Manchester 8d 138
Hague John Manchester 8d 138
HERLEY Alice Manchester 8d 138


1871
Name: Elizabeth Anderton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Josep Anderton
Gender: Female
Where born: Ardwick, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 3760
Folio: 139
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Josep Anderton 34
Elizabeth Anderton 30
James Anderton 10 - born Manchester
Elizabeth Brandt 23

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOOTH Edward BROOKES Elizabeth Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/120/129

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1858 BOOTH Elizabeth Ann Deansgate Archives+, Manchester Central Library BROOKS DEA/51/74
1860 BOOTH John Deansgate Archives+, Manchester Central Library BROOKS DEA/55/13
[Mum's maiden surname also present in local index for Market St subdistrict]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFY-8VT
Name: James Booth
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 12
Birthplace: Manchester, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Manchester
Sub-District: Market Street
Parish: Manchester
County: Lancashire
[rg10/4044/162/24 - James looks like he's in some sort of institution, but I've no sub for images]

Manchester Cathedral m.certs are online at Ancestry, but not FS.

Re:
Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
BOOTH James Manchester 8d 252

The matching local index entry is:
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1861
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BOOTH James Saint George Archives+, Manchester Central Library STG/74/42

One can verify the match by looking at some other entries on the GRO page, and seeing their local ref is either identical to our lad, or differs by 1 or 2 in the last bit of ref.
[Here that last bit is a local page #, and a local B/D rego has 5 entries per page - sometimes the local index uses an entry # so the difference then could be up to 9 - LancsBMD uses an entry # for marrs, so one knows who wed whom]
LancsBMD indexes by year of birth, so we know this James was born in 1861, rather than Dec 1860 but not rego'ed until the new year.