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31 May 2014 20:55 |
Can you help please?
Daisy Mary or Mary Daisy SIVIER ne MOWLAM
I am helping a friend with her tree, and have got really stuck looking for her Great Grandmother.
Here are the details I have................
I have the original birth certificate of Daisy/Mary's daughter b.1886 which states that her mother is Mary Daisy formerly Mowlam & her father who is William Sivier.
I have Daisy/Mary's memorial card which states her name then as Daisy Mary Sivier
I cannot find a birth or marriage for Daisy/Mary only a death which was in 1907
As I cannot find a marriage I don't know if they did indeed marry, although I have looked to see if I can find a Daisy Mary marrying a Mowlam, and I can't find that either.
There are no signs of Daisy Mowlam or Sivier of the right age in any census'
I'd be very grateful for any help to finding Daisy/Mary
Thank you :-D
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alviegal
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31 May 2014 21:04 |
Right, here's her death with year of birth and area.
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription Print this page View image First name(s) DAISY MARY Last name SIVIER Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1854 Age 53 Death quarter 2 Death year 1907 District ISLINGTON District number - County London Country England
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alviegal
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31 May 2014 21:08 |
There's a William here in the right area. What is his occupation on his daughter's birth certificate and what is her name please?
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place MARTHA HUDSON HEAD WIDOW Female 55 1836 LICENSED VICTUALLER MIDDLESEX Image Transcription EMILY HUDSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 22 1869 LICENSED ASSISTANT SURREY Image Transcription HARRY HUDSON SON SINGLE Male 19 1872 LICENSED ASSISTANT SURREY Image Transcription CHARLES A HUDSON SON SINGLE Male 17 1874 ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING APPRENTICE SURREY Image Transcription ANNIE L HUDSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 15 1876 LICENSED VICTUALLERS ASSISTANT MIDDLESEX Image Transcription CATHERINE HUMMERSTON SISTER SINGLE Female 44 1847 HOUSEKEEPER MIDDLESEX Image Transcription WILLIAM SIVIER SERVANT SINGLE Male 35 1856 BARMAN ISLE OF WIGHT Image Transcription ANNIE TURNER SERVANT SINGLE Female 22 1869 DOMESTIC SERVANT MIDDLESEX
First name(s) WILLIAM Last name SIVIER Relationship to head SERVANT Marital condition SINGLE Gender Male Age 35 Birth year 1856 Occupation BARMAN Birth town - Birth county ISLE OF WIGHT House name - Street JUNCTION ROAD Parish ISLINGTON Town LONDON
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31 May 2014 21:18 |
??William Swier married O/N/D 1881 London City to Mary Mowlam V1c P16
Bottom of original view has William Sivier handwriten.
Maryb.
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~Lynda~
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31 May 2014 21:21 |
Hi alviegal, That is the right William, he was a barman, he is equally elusive, although I have him in the 1881 1891& 1911 census.
daughters name is Maud Violet, and she is registered as surname Sivier.
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GlitterBaby
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31 May 2014 21:22 |
Who is the daughter b 1886 and have you found her on any census
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safc
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31 May 2014 21:23 |
William Sivier, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: William Sivier Birth Date: 1851 Birthplace: Age: 30 Spouse's Name: Mary Moulam Spouse's Birth Date: 1850 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 31 Event Date: 20 Dec 1881 Event Place: St. Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England Father's Name: William Sivier Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: William Moulam Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00745-3 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 374385 Reference ID: Vol.29 P.228 N.456
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~Lynda~
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31 May 2014 21:24 |
Oh Mary, that looks very interesting, about the right time, and area,it maybe worth me getting that certificate. Thank you very much for that :-D
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alviegal
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31 May 2014 21:26 |
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription Print this page View image First name(s) MAUD VIOLET Last name SIVIER Birth year 1886 Birth quarter 1 Registration month - Mother's maiden name - District ISLINGTON County London Country England Volume 1B Page 350
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Maud Violet Sivier Name: Maud Violet Sivier Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Age: 26 Spouse Name: Herbert Mineham Spouse Age: 28 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 Sep 1913 Parish: Battle Bridge All Saints Borough: Islington Father Name: William Sivier, barman (dec) Spouse Father: Joseph Mineham Register Type: Parish Register
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alviegal
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31 May 2014 21:34 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Thomas Sivier Name: William Thomas Sivier Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1852 Registration district: Isle of Wight Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 419
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place JANE SIVIER HEAD MARRIED Female 36 1825 VICTUALLER CHALE, HAMPSHIRE Image Transcription WILLIAM THOMAS SIVIER SON - Male 8 1853 SCHOLAR NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE Image Transcription JANE SIVIER DAUGHTER - Female 6 1855 SCHOLAR NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE Image Transcription LOUISA SIVIER DAUGHTER - Female - - SCHOLAR NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE Image Transcription CHARLES RICHARD SIVIER SON - Male 3 1858 - NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE Image Transcription GEORGE HENRY SIVIER SON - Male 1 1860 - NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE
First name(s) JANE Last name SIVIER Relationship HEAD Marital condition MARRIED Gender Female Age 36 Birth year 1825 Occupation VICTUALLER Birth town CHALE Birth county HAMPSHIRE Birth place - House number - House name VOLUNTEER INN Street NEWPORT ROAD Parish NORTHWOOD
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31 May 2014 21:38 |
Maud Sivier, "England and Wales Census, 1891" Name: Maud Sivier Event Type: Census Event Date: 1891 Gender: Female Age: 4 Relationship to Head of Household: Birthplace: Islington, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Islington Sub-District: Islington South West Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints Parish: Islington County: London, Middlesex
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~Lynda~
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31 May 2014 21:52 |
GB, I have found Maud on the 1911, but not on the 1891 or 1901, but looks like safc may have found her in the 1891
safc I'm assuming that marriage is the same one as Mary found? Thank you Can I ask where you found Maud, I can't find her on Ancestry,also who was she living with please
alviegal I have the marriage thank you, but the surname of her husband is Nineham, the name is mis transcribed on lots of records.
Thanks everyone for all your help :-D
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safc
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31 May 2014 22:00 |
lynda
info found here
https://familysearch.org/search
the image for maud sivier in the census can be found here
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/
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31 May 2014 22:01 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Mary Morelane Name: Mary Morelane Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Age: 31 Spouse Name: William Swier occ: barman Spouse Age: 30 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Dec 1881 Parish: St Andrew Holborn Borough: City of London Father Name: William Morelane occ: Police Inspector??? Spouse Father: William Swier occ:Hotel Proprietor Register Type: Parish Register
Bride and groom's address were both 43 Grays Inn Rd.
Won't attempt the witnesses!
Moxx Probably too late. :-)
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Dea
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31 May 2014 22:13 |
Witneses:
William Withers or Witherson + Ellen Harriet Bridgeman..
Dea Xxx
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~Lynda~
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31 May 2014 22:17 |
Thank you safc :-D
Mo, you are certainly not to late. Thank you so much, that is them, that transcription is awful, isn't it
This has given me new leads to go back now, I really started to think that they hadn't married and that would have probably meant a dead end, i'm well chuffed now, so will my friend be.
Thanks Dea :-D
Thanks again everyone for your help, it's really appreciated :-D :-D
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Nicola
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1 Feb 2016 23:43 |
I am researching this tree for a friend(grand daughter of Herbert Nineham and Maud V Sivier) she has some interesting doc's relating to Maud and mother Mary. It would be great to share some info. Regards Nicky
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2 Feb 2016 17:26 |
Nicky, Lynda is still around but may not see your post on the end of this thread, so click on her name and send a message and she will be notified. :-)
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