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Hello

I know this is rather an old thread BUT I am researching Charles COLLINS (b1857, Hertfordshire d 1948, Chiswick) and Martha GURNEY (b 1862, London d 1919 Chiswick) family line. Just to clear up a few things, they had 10 children.

Thomas (b 1888) Mary E (b 1890) Charles Richard (b abt 1892 d 26 Sep 1916, WWI, Somme) Ada Elizabeth (b 12 Feb 1894 d Jul 1977) Lizzie b 1896 Harry William (b 1898 d 18 Oct 1918, WW1 France) Jessie (b Oct 1900) Ernest Frank Collins (b 30 Aug 1902 d Sep 1978) Nellie (b 1904 d 1981) John (b 1907).

Charles was born in Hertfordshire but moved to Chiswick while young with his family. Some of his children were found living in Hertfordshire and some in Bournemouth with Aunts and Uncles.

I would like to get in touch with original poster Karen. Karen if you are out there somewhere please get in touch.

Sharon Collins
(wife of David-his acct)

No Problem ArgyllGran. I think actually he probably had just celebrated (if you can do such a think on the battlefield) his twentieth birthday.

Karen

Have you thought of looking yourself for info?

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Easy site to use......................

Yes, rootsgatherer -
I mean that Harry William Collins who died in 1918 is not the right one.

Sorry for any confusion.

EDIT:
Just ignore me! I've just noticed that you said his parents were Charles & Martha, so Harry William is correct.

The family seem to have been in Brentford are all along, and chiswick comes under Brentford reg district:

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)

COLLINS Charles Brentford 3a 99
GURNEY Martha Brentford 3a 99

Perhaps ArgyllGran - but he may have been born at the end on 1898? And it could be a co-incidence that the Henry George Collins and Harry both have parents named Charles and Martha.


Births Sep 1904 Collins Nellie Louisa Brentford 3a 156

I don't see a Mary Collins born in Brentford in 1907, but there's this one in 1901. Is this her??

Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
Collins Mary Ann Brentford 3a 76

but where is she on the censuses, whenever she was born?

EDIT:
No that's not the right one - she's with her parents in 1911 - a different family.

Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
Collins Thomas Brentford 3a 152

Karen Marie -
You say they had 8 children.

According to 1911 census, they had 10, all living as at 1911.

Lizzie, Harry, Frank, Jessie, John, Nellie, Charles, on censuses - and 3 others.
Mary and Thomas you've mentioned.
One other?

I don't see any Collins/Gurney births from 1911 onwards.

:-D you aint silly Rootgatherer. we all trying to help . ;-)

marriage
Name: Charles Collins
Spouse Surname: Brett
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913
Registration District: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 227
spouse Rose E Brett

???
Births Jun 1907 (>99%)
Collins John Edward Brentford 3a

Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
COLLINS John Sydney Brentford 3a 113

Perhaps this is Harry's birth - which would mean he's not the one whose death Rootsgatherer posted above:

Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
Collins Henry George Brentford 3a 157

Yes definately would be Shirley. Sorry - I'll leave it there so your comment doesn't look silly - like me!!

Would think that 1917 marriage was a bit early for Frank as he was born in 1902

Looks like Harry died unmarried in WW1

COLLINS, HARRY WILLIAM

Rank: Private
Service No: 115839
Date of Death: 18/10/1918
Age: 19
Regiment/Service: Machine Gun Corps (Infantry) 50th Bn.
Grave Reference B. 1.
Cemetery QUIETISTE MILITARY CEMETERY, LE CATEAU

Additional Information:

Son of Charles and Martha Collins, of 9, Hogarth Lane, Chiswick, London.



EDIT

Births Sep 1898 COLLINS Harry William Brentford 3a 131

Name: Frank Collins
Spouse Surname: Weight
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1924
Registration District: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 197
Find Spouse:Ellen V Weight

England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about Anthony E Collins
Name: Anthony E Collins
Mother's Maiden Surname: Weight
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Registration District: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 306


Check for marriages and children born on FreeBMD for Brentford reg district for the other siblings

????

Marriages Dec 1917
Collins Frank Saxton Brentford 3a 180
Saxton Marion Collins Brentford 3a 180


Marriages Jun 1928
Collins Jessie Hall Brentford 3a 458
Hall George S Collins Brentford 3a 458



Not sure how you would know that these are the correct people without buying the marriage certificate.

??
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Martha Collins
Name: Martha Collins
Birth Date: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Jun 1919
Age at Death: 58
Registration District: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 178


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Charles Collins
Name: Charles Collins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1914
Age at Death: 62
Registration District: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 175


So looks like the family moved to Brentford Middlesex

Their marriages should be on FreeBMD, if they did marry