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i have found the child now she(elsie alma may smith) died in 1901 before my nan was born in 1905

root
i have tried to find the child who died but as you can guess with the name smith this is almost impossible
my dad didnt even know about this child and my nan is no longer with us so i cant ask her
shirley that was what i imagined so that her mother could recover from the loss
zena

is this her mum?
Name: Alice May Townsend
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1882
Registration District: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 47

1911 census
Name: Alice May Smith
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 93 Sherlock St Birmingham
Marital Status: Married
Registration District: Birmingham
Registration District Number: 384
Sub-registration District: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 18128
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Smith 32 occ finisher cycle trade
Alice May Smith 28

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 18128.

married 9 years 2 children born 1 has died

living in 3 rooms

so they seem to have fostered Ruth out

1911

Name: Samuel Smith
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Aston, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 93 Sherlock St Birmingham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Finisher
Registration District: Birmingham
Registration District Number: 384
Sub-registration District: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 18128
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Smith 32
Alice May Smith 28


Married 9 years, 2 children born 1 living 1 had died.


When had the child die please? Could it be that Alice May Smith was recovering from the death of her child and a friend was looking after Ruth?

shirley
my grand mother named her father
samuel smith he is also on her birth certificate
that is her parents
samuel smith and may townsend (although her first name was alice)

looks like a possiblemarriage for the parenetts of Ruth that was christened in Hockley


Name: Samuel Smith
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1901
Registration District: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 170
Records on Page:
Name
Frederick Hawthorn
Samuel Smith
Harriett Esther Taylor
May Townsend???????


who did Ruth name as her father on her marriage cert

ann
thats my problem
thats my grandmother and her parents
but it seems for some reason shes with the attwoods on the 1911 not her parents
zena
edited
my family have not link with the attwoods

Name: Edward Pratt
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 10 Jun 1891
Christening Place: Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: Samuel Pratt
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04279-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1520137
Reference ID: IN 304

Name: William George Pratt
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 04 Apr 1889
Christening Place: Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: Samuel Pratt
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04279-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1520137
Reference ID: IN 264

1911 - for ref.

Name: Ruth Smith
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 2 House 24 Court Bissell St
Occupation: School
Registration District: Birmingham
Registration District Number: 384
Sub-registration District: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 18127
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Attwood 26
Ruth Attwood 25
Ruth Smith 6
Thomas Attwood 6/12
Rose Pratt 18



Marriages Dec 1908
ATTWOOD Thomas Aston 6d 484
PRATT Ruth Emma Aston 6d 484

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Name: Ruth Smith
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Feb 1905
Christening Place: All Saints, Hockley, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Birth Date: 09 Feb 1905
Father's Name: Samuel Smith
Mother's Name: May
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01974-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1519863
Reference ID: It.3 p423

hi ann
yes thats the adults
i also found ruth e attwood died age 44 1931

Name: Rose Annie Pratt
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 14 Jun 1893
Christening Place: Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: Samuel Pratt
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04279-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1520137
Reference ID: "IN 344"

Name: Thomas Attwood
Spouse's Name: Ruth Emma Pratt
Event Date: 29 Nov 1908
Event Place: St. John Baptist'S, Deritend, Warwick, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02283-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1520136
Reference ID: item 3

Name: Thomas Attwood
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Birthplace: B Ham, Warwickshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-District: St Martin
Parish: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

hi old question in brackets new info i have found that my nan was at a school called mount carmel school redditch in 1913 age 7 so she could have been there in 1911 can any one find her there please i have tried but cant find her its a catholic school
i dont think the attwood child is my nan now
(please can anyone find anything about this child
shown on the 1911 census age 6 ruth smith daughter school
adults on census thomas attwood 26 married 2 years
ruth attwood wife
rose pratt wife sister lodger 18 single
birmingham bissell street
i have ideas but not sure if im clucking at straws)
thank you
zena