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FBG, OOOhh Hargreaves where? I have Hargreaves in my tree, Lancashire ones.

LK, the video, he's Jay one of the security guys i work with, he was out partying last night, got into the old i have the body for a dress convo... and there you go the video!

The fact there were boobies out of sight, and lots of them too, just isn't mentioned.... just a normal night working at the bar!

Okies i shall go and take a peek now....


T x

I've posted a 1911 Ginny, let me know if it's the right one

T x

LK, can you brief me on the Seager murder??

FBG, can you brief me on your one too.... i need waking up, reading 7 pages to catch up is likely to make me drop off again lol...(or confuse me )


T x

Hi Tracy,

The Seager murder was from me..

March 28th
28/3/1839
William Seager – Otterden, Kent


Aware that his affair with the local rat-catcher’s wife was causing a scandal and that there was no long-term future in it for him, William Seager, 40, a shoemaker of Otterden, Kent, killed his lover and left her dead in the snow.
She was Mrs. Hannah Giles, also 40. Her throat was cut and she had been shot. Her body was found by three children who she was supposed to be baby-sitting and who had gone to look for her. Terrified, the children ran back home and locked themselves in their house until their parents returned at 2 a.m.
Seager fled towards London but was arrested on the way. He was found guilty of murder and hanged on Thursday, March 28th, 1839, outside Maidstone Prison.

LK found her death record ...

Name: Hannah Giles
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 10 Feb 1839
Burial Place: Otterden, Kent, England
Death Date:


AND renes has been looking in old newspapers..


At the inquest it was said that he was at his mothers house- cannot remember now if it said living at - or just at - a witness said she saw him make the bullett - I cannot view the article as I am using my iPod tonight - but from memory it was a young girl - could be the Smith girl

Julie

renes also sent me this link, but I can not open it... need a Library number

Horrible Murder Story Saying name Samuel Seager

THE OTTERDEN MURDER .
The Morning Chronicle (London, England), Thursday, February 14, 1839; Issue 21604.

Category: News Sourced from the British Library


http://find.galegroup.com/bncn/infomark.do?&contentSet=LTO&type=multipage&tabID=T012&prodId=BNCN&docId=

I have split the address here so that we do not get an extra wide page (again)

BA3207180912&enlarge=&docPage=article&source=gale&userGroupName=lancs&version=1.0



.Gale Document Number: BA3207180912

Traceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Just go to the last post on the Godfrey/Thomson thread.
I have set it all out there.
NO NEED TO READ IT ALL,I HAM KNOWING BEHETTER DHAN TO DO DHAT TO YOU..!

Help again....please

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1244606&px=2

A 1911 for the Lane family

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Julcoe

Want to pm me your email address and i can forward you the articles as i find them, if you like?


Tracey x

Sorry I HAVE to go to the pub now,will look for any replies later......

FannyByGaslight

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Thanks Tracey,

I have sent a pm with my e-mail address

Julie

Julcoe,

You state the mans name was William Seagar, the article which is all as you say except the man they list as the possible murderer was SAMUEL SEAGUS?


T x

Fannys in the boozer now so can one of you help me out

I need the full transcript of this bloke please

HOUSEHOLD LANE BENJAMINE M 1889 22 Watford Hertfordshire

Fanks

Rene found
- the village is less than 2 miles from Julies ancestors

Name: Wm Seager
Baptism : 29 Dec 1799 Otterden, Kent,
s/o John Seager and Angelica

But - Julie found 2 entries for William, b. c1798, Otterden, on census the 1871 & 1881 records and a death in 1883

I have 4 more William s - 1 at Offham July 1802 - and 2 1804 Maidstone and 1 Sept 1798 Deptford




Is this connected?


1851 England Census
about John Seager Name: John Seager
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1778
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Angelos Seager
Gender: Male
Where born: Otterden, Kent, England
John Seager 73
Angelos Seager 71
James Seager 27

Gins

1911 census - household transcription
Person: LANE, Benjamine
Address: 13 Gladstone Road Watford
REVELL, Edward Head Married M 54 1857 Carpenter Flittie Norfolk VIEW
REVELL, Mary Jane Wife Married
31 years F 49 1862 South Ockendon Essex VIEW
REVELL, Alma Daughter Single F 16 1895 Drapery Apprentice Crokley Green Herts VIEW
REVELL, Claud Son Single M 14 1897 School Crokley Green Herts VIEW
CALE, William Boarder Single M 27 1884 Civil Service S C And L Solihull Marks VIEW
LANE, Benjamine Boarder Single M 22 1889 Civil Service S C And L Croydon Surry

LK,

Not too sure why people are looking for William Seagar? The guy who killed Hannah was Samuel Seagus (ar, ur)!


T x

That is correct Tracey

I have not seen any other article but the one I have added earlier.

Renes found a different article and she told me that the name 'Samuel" was used on that.

BUT it was a William Seager who was hanged in 1839

Julie

Hmmm, okies, i've not gotten to the hanging ones yet, still loading this email up with various different articles.


T x

Julcoe
May I suggest you start a thread on this and cut and paste the varios bits from here so that it is all in one place, The original question was yesterday morning and that was page back. That would be much easier for Tracey to read.

LK

The census you found..

1851 England Census about John Seager
Name: John Seager
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1778
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Angelos Seager
Gender: Male
Where born: Otterden, Kent, England
John Seager 73
Angelos Seager 71
James Seager 27

I am almost positive that they are the parents & brother of the William Baptism : 29 Dec 1799 Otterden, Kent,

LK

I did not actually ask a question.

Renes had been looking for some info for me about the Seager family and I came across the article about the murder and sent it to her.

She thought that you ladies on Ginny's thread might also like to read it, so I posted it on this thread... and it sort of "grew" from there.

Now I would just like to find out if his name was William Seager or Samuel Seagus and how the two could be mixed up.

I am sorry that this problem is taking up so much space on the thread.

Julie