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4 Jun 2010 05:00 |
I have been working for 4 years on my family tree. All of the research I've done has been through the internet, as I live in Canada. Well, I hit a brick wall a couple of years ago and now I'm just getting frustrated. I've been able to follow my line all the way back to my gt. gt. gt. grandfather Thomas Heritage. Most of my relatives were born in the Clerkenwell/Holborn area. I found a record of the marriage of my gt. gt. gt. grandfather Thomas Heritage to Maria Adams in 1806 at St. Andrews, Holborn. And this is my brick wall. I can't find any birth record for Thomas Heritage in the Clerkenwell/Holborn area, so I can only assume that he was born elsewhere. I found their marriage in Pallot's Marriage Index.
I have found a record for a Thomas Heritage, born 1779 in Fillongley, Warwick, but I can't see any way to connect this record to my ancestor.
I'm hoping that someone can help me in this or at least give me some pointers in where I can look.
Cheers, Brian Heritage
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JaneyCanuck
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4 Jun 2010 05:16 |
If you search the IGI for Thomas Heritage born 1770-1790, for example, there are 18 of them (fewer actually; there are duplicates). No reason to settle on the one in Warwickshire, I think. ;)
One born 1785 in St Marylebone, just for instance, would seem a more likely candidate. There's also one in 1777 in Stepney, and one in 1773 in Kent, who would be more likely than Warwickshire.
Any chance he was still living in any census, that might state a place of birth? Or Maria?
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SylviaInCanada
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4 Jun 2010 05:38 |
There are two ThomasHeritages living in London on the 1841
Thomas Heritage abt 1789 St Marylebone, Middlesex <<<<<< has wife (apparently) Elizabeth)
Thomas Heritage abt 1791 St Marylebone, Middlesex <<<<< no wife, but "son" Thomas, age 20
EDIT ........ both are shown as M S (male servant)
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SylviaInCanada
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4 Jun 2010 06:33 |
Thomas and Maria's wedding is alos on ancestry in the London Records
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Thomas Heritage Spouse Name: Maria Adams Record Type: Banns Event Date: 9 Sep 1806 Parish: St Andrew Holborn County: London Borough: City of London
from the image (it is completely hand-written):-
Thomas Heritage and Maria Adams both of this parish were married in this Church by Banns on this Ninth Day of September in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Six by me Charles Bryce Curate This marriage was solemnized between Us Thomas Heritage (the mark of) Maria Adams (the mark of) In the presence of us Anne Adams (the mark of) James Horton
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SylviaInCanada
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4 Jun 2010 06:39 |
This is I presume one of the children of Thomas and Maria
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Thomas Heritage Record Type: Baptism Date: 31 Oct 1813 Father's Name: Thomas Heritage Mother's Name: Maria Heritage Parish: St Andrew Holborn Borough: City of London County: London
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Address:- Vine St
Father's occupation:- Taylor (sic)
and this one??
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Deborah Maria Heritage Record Type: Baptism Date: 28 May 1815 Father's Name: Thomas Heritage Mother's Name: Maria Heritage Parish: St Andrew Holborn Borough: City of London County: London
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Address:- Vine Street
Father's occupation:- Salesman
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jansmith
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4 Jun 2010 07:10 |
1851 to dismiss the 1 in Kent i think as it looks like he stayed in Kent Name: Thomas Heritage Age: 78 Estimated birth year: abt 1773 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Sellinge, Kent, England Civil parish: Ewell County/Island: Kent
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jansmith
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4 Jun 2010 07:13 |
Possible death but no age given yet in index Name: Thomas Heritage Year of Registration: 1846 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Marylebone (1837-1901) County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1 Page: 146 (
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Brian
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4 Jun 2010 14:54 |
You folks are great!! Thanks so much for the responses.
Janey - Thanks for the suggestion that I've centered myself on an unlikely person. I guess I didn't give the complete reason why I was concentrating on the Warwickshire Thomas. This Thomas had a sister Mary Heritage (1789) and a brother Samuel Heritage (1792) both of which are from Fillongley. I found a record in Pallot's Marriage index for the marriage of Mary Heritage to William Edwards at St. Andrew, Holborn in 1812. It's in the same hand as the marriage of my ancestor and just as brief. As for Samuel, I found a record in the 1851 census showing him living in the Hackney area. I think the whole family moved into the Holborn area sometime in the early 1800s but I can`t prove it.
Sylvia - Thanks so much for the information. All that the image from Pallott`s has is the two names and the year. And the Thomas and Deborah that you identified are definitely mine. My gt. gt. grandfather was:
Name: Robert Heritage Record Type: Baptism Date: 08 Sep 1811 Father's Name: Thomas Heritage Mother's Name: Maria Heritage Parish: St Andrew Holborn Borough: City of London County: London
Jan - I agree the Thomas Heritage from Kent we can probably dismiss.
Cheers, Brian
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SylviaInCanada
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4 Jun 2010 20:39 |
from the London records
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Mary Heritage Spouse Name: William Edwards Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 27 May 1812 Parish: St Andrew Holborn County: London Borough: City of London
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William Edwards of the Parish of Saint Andrew Holborn London Bachelor and Mary Heritage of the Parish of Buester in the County of Oxford Spinster were married in this Church by Licence on the Twentyeighth Day of May in the Year One Thousand eight Hundred and Twelve by me Charles Bryce Curate. This marriage was solemnized between Us William Edwards [and] Mary Heritage In the Presence of Us John Edwards [and] Charlotte (can't read)
NOTE:- it does say 28th in the text, so has been wrongly transcribed as 27
NOTE:- It says Mary is from a parish in Oxford .............. I think it is Buester
How does that fit with your information????
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SylviaInCanada
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4 Jun 2010 20:54 |
If this is your Samiel in the 1851 census
Name: Samuel Heritage Age: 59 Estimated birth year: abt 1792 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Fillingley, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: South Hackney County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: South Hackney
Samuel Heritage 59 Wheelers Smith Margaret Heritage 38 b.ca 1813, South Wales, Brecon, Washerwoman William Heritage 13 b.ca 1838, Hackney Eliza Heritage 4
Address:- 2 Queens Court Wells Street
then this is him in 1841 (remembering that ages of people over 15 were usually rounded down to the nearest 5)
1841 Census
Name: Samuel Heritage Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1796 Gender: Male Civil parish: St John Hackney Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: South Hackney
Samuel Heritage 45 not born in county, S Smith Margaret Heritage 25 b.ca 1816, not born in county Margeret Heritage 6 b.ca 1835, Middlesex William Heritage 3 b.ca 1838, Middlesex Eliza Heritage 1 b.ca 1840, Middlesex
no address given
and his marriage????
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Samuel Heritage Spouse Name: Margaret Price Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 5 May 1833 Parish: St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway County: Middlesex Borough:Islington
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Samuel Bachelor Of this Parish
Margaret Spinster Of the same parish
Witnesses:- William Stokes (his mark) and James Biggs
NOTE:- James Biggs signed on 3 of the 6 certificates shown on 2 pages. The weddings were on 3 different dates in April and May, so he was most probably a "professsional" witness, paid a small amount to do so. Thus probably no connection to either party at any of the weddings.
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4 Jun 2010 21:02 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Mary Ann Heritage Record Type: Baptism Date: 21 Jun 1835 Father's Name: Samuel Heritage Mother's Name: Margaret Heritage Parish: St John the Evangelist Borough: Islington County: Middlesex
Born:- 15 June 1835 Address:- Archway Place Holloway Father's occupation:- Smith
Baptized on the same day:-
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Eliza Heritage Record Type: Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1840 Father's Name: Samuel Heritage Mother's Name: Margaret Heritage Parish: St John at Hackney Borough: Hackney County: Middlesex
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(No birth date given) Address:- Morning Lane Father's occupation:- Smith
Name: William Heritage Record Type: Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1840 Father's Name: Samuel Heritage Mother's Name: Margaret Heritage Parish: St John at Hackney Borough: Hackney County: Middlesex
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Reported Born:- August 15 1837 Address:- Morning Lane Occupation:- Smith
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Brian
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6 Jun 2010 21:55 |
Hi Sylvia
Yes, these are the Mary and Samuel who are the sister and brother of the Thomas Heritage from Fillongley. It's this Thomas Heritage that I feel is my gt. gt. gt. Grandfather and that I'm trying to prove the connection.
Cheers, Brian
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Gael
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5 May 2015 08:42 |
Dear Brian
I am an Australian photohistorian researching Thomas Heritage who made stereo photographs in Singapore in 1861 but departed in 1862 back to London where he is listed as a photographer. ( see below form Photo London directory) I would be interested to know if he is one of your forebears and if you have found out anything about where he was before Singapore.
Yours sincerely
Gael Newton
Heritage, Thomas
Born 1820. Died 1868.
Biography
Heritage, Thomas Born in St Marylebone 1820. Christened April 1 1821 in St Marylebone. Md Elizabeth Pyefinch October 17 1841 in Westminster. STUDIO: 3 Addington Road, Bow Road, Poplar 1863 - 1865. Died in Hackney 1868.
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Jacqueline
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5 May 2015 10:48 |
As Brian last posted on here 5 years ago, he probably won't be looking for replies now.
Click on his name and send him a message
If you want help with your own research, it would be better to start your own thread
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