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'THE PRESS' , Christchurch , NZ , 15 July 1916
. A resident of the Dominion for over forty years, in the person of Mr Robert Pollock Smith, passed away at Duvauchelle's Bay on Sunday at the ripe ago of 83. Mr Smith was a native of Airdrie, Scotland, and as a young man he entered the service of the Commissariat Department of the Indian Government, and remained in it for a number of years. After visiting Scotland Mr Smith came out to New Zealand, arriving about 1875 in the ship Mermaid. He tried his luck, like many others, on thoegoldfields, but not meeting with success, he settled down to farming pursuits in the Waimate district. He took a keen interest in politics, working consistently for .tho late Sir William Steward. During the past twelve years Mr Smith had lived in retirement, latterly with his sonin-law. Mr S. J. Vogan. of Duvauchelle's Bay. Mr Smith leaves a grown-up family, one son being Private T. Pollock Smith, who is with the Australian forces somewhere in France.

Robert Pollock Smith is currently the subject of correspondence on Rootsweb NZ Mailing List

You have probabably seen this but it is the obit for Janet ( Mrs R. P Smith)
Mother of 4 sons and 3 daughter

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=CHP19130222.2.115&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----2robert+pollock+smith--

And for Robert Pollock Smith
:http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AMBPA19160711.2.3&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2robert+pollock+smith--

From familysearch.org


parents: Thomas Wards,? Jennet Goar

name: Jannet Wards
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 10 Jun 1821
baptism/christening place: SANDAY,ORKNEY,SCOTLAND
birth date: 07 Jun 1821
father's name: Thomas Wards
mother's name: Jennet Goar
indexing project (batch) number: C11026-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 990509

name: Mary Wards
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 10 Jun 1821
baptism/christening place: SANDAY,ORKNEY,SCOTLAND
birth date: 07 Jun 1821
father's name: Thomas Wards
mother's name: Jennet Goar
indexing project (batch) number: C11026-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 990509


name: Robert Wards
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Dec 1802
baptism/christening place: SANDAY,ORKNEY,SCOTLAND
birth date: 09 Dec 1802
father's name: Thomas Wards
mother's name: Janet Gore
indexing project (batch) number: C11026-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 990509
reference number:


name: David Wards
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Apr 1819
baptism/christening place: SANDAY,ORKNEY,SCOTLAND
birth date: 04 Apr 1819
father's name: Thomas Wards
mother's name: Janet Gore
indexing project (batch) number: C11026-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 990509

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1841

Piece: SCT1841/26 Place: Sanday -Orkney Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Burness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 3 Page: 9
Address: Howland Houses

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks

WARDS John M 25 Fisherman Orkney
WARDS David M 20 Fisherman Orkney
WARDS Mary F 15 Orkney
WARDS Jannet F 55 Orkney

Elaine, if you think that the 1881 census is the correct parents for your Janet then it may be worth checking for their deaths on Scotlandspeople. Scottish death registrations give the names of the parents including the mother's maiden surname if the informant knew the details.

????

1885 WARDS ELLEN F 80 KIRKWALL AND ST OLA /ORKNEY 021/00 0015

1888 WARDS THOMAS M 80 KIRKWALL AND ST OLA /ORKNEY 021/00 0045

Used my last 5 credits to look at Thomas's death.

Thomas Wards, Pauper and Widower died at 3h. 30m. PM on 2nd. August 1888 at Orkney Combination Poorhouse. His father Thomas Wards, farmer and his mother Janet Wards maiden surname Goar were both deceased. The cause of death was General Paralysis 5 days. The informant was the Govenor of the Poorhouse.

Thank you to all who havv replied and helped me.. It looks like you have found the correct parents.

Many thanks

Elaine

In Scotland, Jessie is used synonymously for Janet.
Both Jessie and Janet have a number of variant spellings.
http://www.whatsinaname.net/

christening: 04 Dec 1836 SANDAY,?ORKNEY,?SCOTLAND
residence: 1836 Orkn,? Scotland
parents: John Wards,? Margaret Cussiter


name: Janet Wards
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 04 Dec 1836
baptism/christening place: SANDAY,ORKNEY,SCOTLAND
birth date: 02 Nov 1836
father's name: John Wards
mother's name: Margaret Cussiter
indexing project (batch) number: C11026-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 990509

Edit-SCRUB ancestry tree has her death in Orkney

The 1841 census for Orkney is completely transcribed at FreeCEN (but nothing later yet).
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
NB In 1841 only, adult (15+) ages were supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5.
Here's Lindsay's family:

Piece: SCT1841/26 Place: Sanday -Orkney Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Cross Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 11
Address: Backaskaill
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WARDS Thomas M 30 Agricultural Labourer Orkney
WARDS Hellen F 35 Orkney
WARDS Elizabeth F 6 Orkney
WARDS Thomas M 4 Orkney
WARDS James M 1 Orkney


Sanday is one of the larger islands in Orkney. I think it forms one civil parish.
It is shaped like the letter y. Each leg formed an ecclesiastical parish.
The NE peninsula forms Lady Psh, the SW peninsula forms Cross Psh, and the N peninsula forms Burness Psh.
The latter 2 parishes were united. Backaskaill was a small commumity on the S coast of Cross Psh.
Go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and look up 364200,1039400 and zoom out a step to see it.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1894255

Marriages?
1908/7596 Ellen Pollock Smith m. Samuel James VOGAN
1915/3934 Jane Pollock Smith m. Daniel Gideon Bimbler

Ellen did marry Sam Vogan and lived in Duvauchelle, Akaroa, NZ until she died suddenly while going to take a bath.. My parents used to visit Jessie Vogan /Hayward regularly. She was Ellen's daughter. I have a picture of Sam and Ellen's wedding where Annabella was the bridesmaid. I also have the marriage record.



Jane married Dan Bimbler and lived in Featherstone. When she died Aunt Annabella Pollock Smith went to Featherstone to look after the children. She was one very strick lady. Walked like she had a brrom handle up her back and had a habit of pulling my shoulders back as I sat at the table!

Births
1877/8693 Smith James Pollock [to] Jannet & Robert Pollock
1880/18741 Smith Donald Broek [to] Janet & Robert Pollock
1884/3483 Smith Annabella Pollock [to] Janet & Robert Pollock
1885/8472 Smith Thomas Peter [to] Janet & Robert Pollock

Marriages?
1908/7596 Ellen Pollock Smith m. Samuel James Vagan
1915/3934 Jane Pollock Smith m. Daniel Gideon Bimler

No marriage found for Robert & Janet in NZ 1874-1877

See https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/home/

Try http://www.cursiter.com/pages/indices.htm, a great site for all things Orkney related to genealogy. Also suggests she was WARDS, rather than WARD.

:-)
Good luck!

??? Thomas and Ellen in 1871

1871 Census

Name: Thomas Wards
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Hellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Sanday, Orkney
Registration Number: 21
Registration district: Kirkwall and St Ola
Civil parish: Kirkwall and St Ola
County: Orkney
Address: Lower Scaper
Occupation: Fisherman

Thomas Wards 62
Hellen Wards 64
Thomas Wards 34


and in 1881

1881 Census

Name: Thomas Wards
Age: 72
Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Sanday, Orkney
Registration Number: 21
Registration district: Kirkwall and St Ola
Civil parish: Kirkwall and St Ola
County: Orkney
Address: Nether Scapa
Occupation: Fisherman

Thomas Wards 72
Ellen Wards 74
Thomas Wards 44




Incidentally ................... if you look at the ages/birth years of Thomas Ward(s) on all these censuses you can see that the submitted record regarding his marriage year is wrong


He would only have been about 12 if he got married in 1820!!


That's assuming of course that we all have the correct Thomas!



sylvia

Unfortunately this record of her parents marriage from the International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org (the Mormon or LDS site) is a SUBMITTED record

Such records have been sent by individuals, usually members of the LDS church, and have no backing documentation so one never knwos whether the information is accurate, bent to fit the facts or made up! In other words, they are not to be trusted!



Thomas Ward Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: Ellen Ward Family
Marriage: About 1820 Of, , , Scotland

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.




sylvia

???? same Janet in 1861?


1861 Census

Name: Janet Wards
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Cross, Orkney
Registration Number: 26
Registration district: Sanday
Civil parish: Cross
County: Orkney
Address: Stove
Occupation: Dairymaid

John Irvine 28
Jessie Irvine 26
Kenneth Hay 23
Thomas Tulloch 23
Ester Sinclair 51
Janet Wards 19





sylvia

I'm wondering if this is her family, ?

1851 Scotland Census about Thomas Wards
Name: Thomas Wards
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Hellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Cross, Orkney
Parish Number: 26
Civil parish: Lady
County: Orkney
Address: Portugal
Occupation: Farm Labourer
ED: 3
Page: 13 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 42
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1851_5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wards 43
Hellen Wards 45
James Wards 11
Janet Wards 9
William Wards 6


and the 1841

1841 Scotland Census about Thomas Wards
Name: Thomas Wards
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Orkney and Shetland, Scotland
Civil parish: Cross
County: Orkney and Shetland
Address: Backaskaill
Occupation: Ag Lab
Parish Number: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wards 30
Hellen Wards 35
Elizabeth Wards 6
Thomas Wards 4
James Wards 1

Janet WARD of Sanday, Orkney was my great grandmother. I cannot find anything about her except that she married my great grandfather Robert Pollock Smith, a Scotsman. Her death certificate says she was born in Sanday Orkney Islands. Death date was 15/2/1913 and says she was 73 yrs. It also says she was married in Christchurch, New Zealand (but Rpberts' death says it was Dunedin) Her parents were Thomas and Ellen Ward. He could have been a ploughman.

My mother used to tell me about her and her children. They were all born in NZ. I have to assume the marriage was in NZ because Robert Pollock Smith came to NZ on the Parsee in 1874 and he was 39 yrs and single.

Can anyone tell me about her please?

Elaine